Got some questions on cheap motherboards?

PreDatoR · Post by **PreDatoR** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 4:44 pm

I'm building a computer for a friend and only have about 500 bucks to do it. This has to include the monitor keyboard and mouse. What a good motherboard for a Cel 2 or Duron that has onboard video and sound that isn't 150 bucks in price. ATA/66 onboard would be nice also. Would prefer something that overclocked to get them a little more speed. I haven't built a AMD setup yet so i'm foreign when it comes to that. Probably will go with a Cel 566/850 for them. It don't need to be a powerhouse gaming rig so thats why i ask. Wish i had about a grand to work with cause i could build them a damn fast P3 setup.

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smb · Post by **smb** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 4:54 pm

your better off sticking with a celeronII setup. I don't think their is a motherboard yet for durons. with some shopping and patience you should be able to build a nice setup for $500.00.

diabolix · Post by **diabolix** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:22 pm

I built for a friend a Duron base system with a Future Power motherboard and everything works fine [fingers cross]

nexus_7 · Post by **nexus_7** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:24 pm

for a really nice board with onboard sound and vid just go with an asus cusl2 Sweet board for Ocing, has onboard soundcard, onboard video, and usb expantion slots. cant beat it in my opinion.

Greg

PreDatoR · Post by **PreDatoR** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:59 pm

I have a CUSL2-C in my system right now. I'm not one that wants the onboard shit but i figured to keep it cheap for them i'd get a mobo with all of that. CUSL2 is a damn good board thats for sure but a little pricier than i'm looking to spend on it right now. Here's the parts i was thinking about puting in it. You guys think i could get this for about 350 bucks? need 150 to buy a monitor keyboard and mouse here local for them.

Mid Tower case 250w PS
CUSL2
Cel 566/850 w/ GORB
64 Megs PC100 or 128 of PC100
4-6 Gig ATA/66 HDD
LT Winmodem
32x - 50x CD-ROM
Floppy

I think it could be done. Would leave them a lot of room for expanding in the future with the CUSL2 as the mobo.

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Coco · Post by **Coco** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 6:40 pm

Acutally... a Duron 700 can easily beat a Celeron 566@850...

I owned a Celeron 566@850 before I "upgraded" to the Duron 700. In all of my benchmarks, the Duron 700(no o/c) win. Now that I have my Duron 700@933 (133mhz fsb), there is no question on who's faster.

Anyway, look at these...

http://www.asus.com/Products/Motherboar ... index.html

http://tw.msi.com.tw/product/main_show. ... e=MS-6340M

It's KM133 chipset, onboard Savage4 / sound, should be much faster than i815. ~$120

Duron 700 - 850 + Orb - $60 - 90
128MB PC133 - $45
10G Fujitsu HD - $75
CD-Rom - $30
Floppy - $12
Modem - $12
Case w/ 250w PS - $25 (Duron can use 250w PS with no prob.)

There are also some cheaper SocketA mobo for $70-90 with Sis730s chipset(on board video/sound/lan/56k modem). Anand or Sharky did a review on it I believe...

PreDatoR · Post by **PreDatoR** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 9:19 pm

I know the Duron will win in benchmarking. Frankly i could care less. If the damn thing turns on runs stable and does what it is suppose to do its a good computer. Not going for performance here. More for economy and speed. These people aren't gonna be doing any hardcore gaming with it, just word processing and internet mostly. And if they do i'll get them a GeForce and slap in it. A buddy of mine has a T-Bird 1 gig system he keeps trying to trade me. I've just got a CUSL2-C and a 566@952 cbo stable as a rock at 1.8v's and he wants to trade me his mobo and t-bird for my board and CPU. His system is about as stable and Hanfords nuclear reactors are. Mine runs flawless all day long and does exactly what i want it to do. He wish's now he would have stuck with Intel. I've thought about making the change to AMD but if you've got a system that runs perfect why mess with it? I mean can your eye really tell 5-10 more frames per second when its already pumping out 60+fps?

CaterpillarAssassin · Thu Apr 05, 2001 10:09 pm

Well see the only thing is AMD's line is not only faster than intels, but also cheaper. And if correctly installed is stable as a rock. I mean come on man, if you can get more bang for the buck why not do it? The way I see it is Intel is putting out a substandard product (maybe a lil exaggerated) for more money. I'm sorry can you tell me why you would want a slower chip and pay more for it? I just dont see it. Sure they dont need gaming right now, but what about in 4 mo's when there friend says "Hey, I got this cool game you should try it!" and it runs slow b/c of the celly? If I were in your shoes I would get the duron 700 clock her up to 933 and let your friends enjoy the speed. Remember, friends dont let friends buy intel!

cak · Post by **cak** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 12:50 pm

I have used ECS socketA boards for budjet systems and they have worked great. They are very simple boards but designed well(reference clone). They perform very well also.

You could get a socketA board with the KM133 chipset by biostar or MSI, has onboard video/audio, but is mATX, for under $100 shipped.

d1nonly · Post by **d1nonly** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 10:15 pm

My abit bh6 motherboard is perfect for ur celeron. With the latest bios u can put a celeron 700 and upgrade to 900 with no problem and max out it can go to 1ghz

PreDatoR · Post by **PreDatoR** » Sun Apr 08, 2001 1:32 am

As far as i'm concerned AMD can kiss my ass! hehe I had one AMD system back in the day and i could care less what anyone says. Its still AMD! I have Cel 566@952 with 256 Meg Infineon and a Hercules 3D Prophet DDR/DVI. I have yet to lag out in a game at all. I play Half Life TFC, CS, UT, and Quake 3 on a regular basis. Ya sure my frames might not be in the ozone but it runs smooth with no glitches with damn near everything turned up 100%. I've always been one that goes with what works best for me and thats always been Intel. Have yet to have an Intel chip fail me nor run unstable. Only AMD POS i had was one of the original Athlon's and had nothing but trouble with it. Of course the boards now are far better than the FIC SD11 POS was i won't argue that but one bad taste in my mouth and i'm not willing to try it again. There's only one reason a Duron does better than a Cel and its pretty easy to figure out. I think Intel was stupid for doing what they did to it but i don't make the chips. And the BH6 was a good board in its day but not what i'm looking for, it don't have onboard video or sound and its a slot 1. I prefer to stay away from mATX boards. Thats why i like the CUSL2 cause its a standard ATX board that has room for the expansion. All of the AMD boards i've found that has vid/sound onboard have all been mATX boards. Ya i know i'm pretty anal about CPU's but no on will get me to switch to AMD again. A few measely benchmarks on Sandra don't mean diddly squat to me.