Another school shooting

Hipnotic_Tranz · Post by **Hipnotic_Tranz** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:11 pm

As MegaVectra said, the parents will be blamed last. Video games, the music they listen to, the people they hang with, etc. All those will come before the parents. I believe it's 90% up to the parents and 10% up to the school. If the kids were brought up right, they would know that basically half of hte high-school population is very immature and say things that will fade away within a week. Being made fun of will piss somebody off to a point, but if you were brought up right, you would know NOT to take a gun and kill somebody. The most you would do is break out your fists and give it to the guy that's pissin' ya off. Even if you loose, he'll have respect for you and leave ya alone.

It's all up to the parents in my opinion. Yes, the school has *some* to do with it, as enforcing basic morals, but its' not the schools job to raise us, it's our friggin' parents! Man, I love my mom and dad. I'm thankful to not be like my friend who's parents were devorced, then his dad died, and his step-dad keeps loosing jobs 'cause the business go out of business, so they keep moving all the time, blah blah (It's not that his step-dad is a drunk or anything, it's just bad luck I guess) That would just suck and it's very hard on him. I can tell.

Cheap · Post by **Cheap** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:26 pm

i dont even know where to begin.

one thing that i disagree on for sure is the whole thing about mere talk. i remember times in high school when me or my friends would be pissed about something and one of us would say "i'm gonna f***in kill that kid" then 3 or 4 hours later you're cooled off. i'm glad that none of us went runnin to a teacher or member of administration because 99.9999% of the time its pure BULLSH*T. i think its very common for people to say things when they lose their temper and they shouldnt get suspended or expelled because of it. heck, everyone in my "group" has turned out fine. obviously, there comes a point in time when you realize a friend might be talking about killing people on a regular basis or s/he gets a little oddly specific about a method or timeline for their actions. then i understand when action is taken. i dont think a lot of people should be punished for no reason. oh well, those are my thoughts.

blade · Post by **blade** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:48 pm

Yes we all have said something like "I'm gonna kill that bastard" or "they need to die" in school. Kids talk, yes. But how many of you have said you're going to bring a gun to school and/or kill people? That was my point. When a parent or adult hears something like that they should at least make sure any guns are hid and locked up, at the very minimum. That adult just ignored the warning and if he acted this probably would not have happened.

RubberDuckie · Post by **RubberDuckie** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:57 pm

"the school has *some* to do with it, as enforcing basic morals, but its' not the schools job to raise us, it's our friggin' parents! Man"
Well put

If the kid was being picked on so much that it was driving him into a violent rage...the parent(s) should have picked up on that. And the would have if they were a part of his life. Hell everyone gets picked on at one point or another in their life. I understand that the pharse "Im gonna kill that guy" is just that, a phrase not mean to be serious. But that is part of the problem...we shouldnt have let it become "just a phrase". Just like you would never tell your parents to "F**K off" but most kids tell eachother that on a day to day basis...there is a time and a place for phrases...too bad we are using the bad ones so much that nobody takes them serious anymore. I still belive the parents and this kid should be the ones held accountable for this act. If my daughter were playing aound the street and threw a rock and broke your car window. would you expect me to pay for it? or would you expect the record companys and the teachers?

justinp1116 · Post by **justinp1116** » Wed Mar 07, 2001 12:36 am

From what all of you are saying its sounds like you are adults, but i could be wrong. I am not, im a student in high school. Most of you are saying that parenting is one of the main problems. I disagree. the kind of parenting that i am imagining that you suggest is for a parent to always be home and keeping a close watch over every single move that there child makes. First that just isnt possible these days when in many families both parents are working. Second my best friend has parents that are like that. Whenever they are home they are always walking by or coming in and seeing what we are "up to." And they haven't even learned over the years that we are NEVER "up to" anything. Let me tell you it is just a pain in the ass and i think it just implies that the parents dont TRUST what their kids are doing. Trust being the key word because trust is extremely important and if you cant trust your own child who else can you trust more other than your spouse. But in some cases where the kids are making bombs in their back yard!!!! come on i would think that a parent would notice if their kid was making a bomb that is just ridiculous.
I have heard about schools all over the place with cameras and security walking around all over the place and frankly i am very glad that my school does not have those things. For some schools i can see how they might be necessary but i cant imagine that so many schools all over the country are getting these things.
Also these kids that do these things have got to be so messed up in the head. I mean if someone goes and kills some "bully" just cuz they were being made fun of then somethign just isnt right. I have been picked on a few times myself and from experience if you dont get angry and you just ignore the kid he will leave you alone cuz it isnt entertaining making fun of some kid who does give a crap.
And many of you are saying: "Back when i was in school..." Well im sorry to say i have news for you it is not your day anymore and times have changed dramatically.

I'll be back for more dont worry.

pidge · Post by **pidge** » Wed Mar 07, 2001 5:23 pm

It happened again

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2001/03/ ... index.html

nexus_7 · Post by **nexus_7** » Wed Mar 07, 2001 6:32 pm

this stuff is crazy. No forsight at all.

Greg

RubberDuckie · Post by **RubberDuckie** » Thu Mar 08, 2001 12:11 am

"the kind of parenting that i am imagining that you suggest is for a parent to always be home and keeping a close watch over every single move that there child makes. "

Your not imagining the parent I am describing. To be a good parent doesnt mean at home all the time and watching every move. It means a good, open, and supportive relationship with your child...one where you child can talk to you openly about anything and you offer what advice you can. One that would know you child is being bully'ed to the breaking point. Parents must have a friendship with their children, and that is a good starting point.

Damn Not again

Sad world we live in.

justinp1116 · Post by **justinp1116** » Fri Mar 09, 2001 11:26 pm

ok i looked over all the responses again and there was one that i missed before and i think that Hipnotic_Tranz said it well when he said:

"Being made fun of will piss somebody off to a point, but if you were brought up right, you would know NOT to take a gun and kill somebody. The most you would do is break out your fists and give it to the guy that's pissin' ya off. Even if you loose, he'll have respect for you and leave ya alone."

I guess that according to that I have been "brought up well" so i really cant have the whole problem in perspective. I agree that if you get fed up with someone making gun of you there is absolutely no excuse for taking a gun and killing whoever it is that is teasing you. I have gotten really really pissed at a few kids in my school but i didnt take one of my father's guns and shoot them all. If you do something like that there is no way in hell you would ever get away with it.
One time a few years ago this kid that i didnt particularly like came up to me one day in class and smacked me in the back of my head because i was sitting in "his seat." This just triggered some rage and i turned around and grabbed him tightly by the neck and told him to never do that again. He said in a scratchy voice, cuz my grip was messing up his vocal cords or something, "OK!" Ever since then he hasnt tried to piss me off and just the other day when he was about to throw a chunk of ice at me our eyes met and he turned around and threw it at another kid. Thus i my experience making a stand works fairly well.
I dont think that everyone should start a fight whenever they get picked on, but throwing a punch can get respect from kids.
Being raised well can help in situations when you are being made fun of but thinking logically can be just as helpful. Anyone can think to themselves whether killing someone makes sense and think about the consequences he will have to face if he kills someone, even if they havent been raised well.
There have been some many school shootings this last week it is ridiculous. When all these kids watched tv and saw this kid in california what did they think "oh that kid is just stupid and i will get away with it." If they did then they have something seriously wrong with them, but if you even thought seriously about killing someone then there is something worng with you anyway. If kids just used their brain then they wouldnt doo these stupid things, but there really isnt a fool-proof way to stop them so i guess that school shooting will continue for at least a while.
I get a little carried away talking about this so i will stop now.

b-man1 · Post by **b-man1** » Sat Mar 10, 2001 1:39 am

this may be over-simplified, but i think everyone tries too hard to find a reason for all of this. i think it may be as simple as the following equation:

higher population = higher # of freaks

simple statistics. if you have more people interacting with each other, more bad things will happen.

it isn't unreasonable to think that there are just people that are STUPID and/or without COMMON SENSE. they don't live within our standards, they don't think like most people, which means they don't hold the same values or beliefs.

no amount of rehab (before or after) will help them.

btw: what's the % of convicts that are sent to prison for violent crimes, etc actually get REFORMED and become useful in society?

MegaVectra · Post by **MegaVectra** » Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:02 am

I agree b-man1. I think of it this way. We all know a person or was a person who was picked on in high school. That is just the way it was and is. Kids are cruel. You learned to deal with it. What I see happening is that they are consolidating many schools into one big school, which is causing overpopulation as b-man1 said. Lets assume that a person is being bullied by four people in and unconsolidated school. Now multiply that by five to account for the consolidated schools additional population. That’s a lot for a single person to deal with.

MK888 · Post by **MK888** » Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:02 am

I think b-man makes a good point...

Think about this, income taxes are high, property taxes are high, and land prices are high. Many families are just getting by, and that is with both parents working. Kids get home from school, and turn on the TV, or hang out with their friends. They see stuff on TV, that may or may not be appropriate for them to watch, but there is noone there to tell them otherwise. And when they are with their friends, it is just as bad, or worse. They are getting their values from other kids who may be in the same situation.

The fact is that many parents dont spend enough time with their kids... now in some cases that is the fault of the parent. But perhaps there is some blame for their employer, who thinks of the bottom line only, and hires one person to do the job of three. And perhaps there is blame to be laid on the govt, who financially penalises people who get married!!!!

Every effect has a cause, and instead of blaming guns, and society, or "the parents" we should be looking at more specific causes. Because I think that a few very small changes will have a dramatic effect.

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