Forced seat belts are coming back?

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Forced seat belts are coming back?

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When the U.S. goverment rushed to mandate technology in 1974 that kept cars parked unless their drivers buckled up, owners revolted in frustration, causing the whole system to be scrapped prior to it ever being debugged. It was a typical case of a good idea arriving before it was ready, and today, GM has announced it will give it another try. Only this time, it says, things will be different.

GM's Belt Assurance System will be a free option on select 2015 models, like the Chevy Cruze, Silverado and Colorado, as well as the GMC Sierra. If feedback from customers is positive, the system may become more widespread across the GM line. Unlike the 1974 technology, the new software relies on the sensors that detect passengers in the front seats, turning the airbags on or off based on weight. If a person's sitting without being buckled, the software engages the brake and transmission to prevent the driver from shifting out of park. Owners can turn the engine on without the belts being latched, a cause of great frustration back in the early '70s.
According to federal studies, 87 percent of Americans wear a seat belt, a lower rate than in Europe and Asia. That means 13 percent of the U.S. population still won't buckle up, despite it being not just enough to get a ticket in most states, but the number one way to prevent death in the event of an accident. Unlike other countries, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration requires automakers to build air bags and other safety systems on the assumption of an unbelted driver — a 165-lb. man, to be exact.
Between the search to save weight for fuel economy and the cost of tailoring vehicles to different markets, automakers have begun to question why the 13 percent shouldn't be forced to change their behavior. BMW recently asked NHTSA to mandate a form of interlocks as standard to prevent a car traveling above 15 mph without its front-seat occupants being belted up. By doing so, automakers could eliminate 7 lbs. worth of safety equipment that protects the unbuckled, while ensuring its passengers are wearing seat belts. This would save tens of thousands of gallons of fuel per year, according to BMW. However NHTSA denied this request, stating a lack of supporting material to fully evaluate the system's effectiveness.
GM's system isn't looking to sway NHTSA into revising its regulations; it's simply looking at it as a further safety measure. And proving its commitment to its customers' safety must be the automaker's number one focus, given the recent recall fiascoes that have led to spending $1.7 billion to fix old vehicles.
With seat belts saving the lives of an estimated 12,174 people in 2012, maybe it's time to erase the memory of the '70s. Almost 40 years on and with most of the public clicking their seat belts out of habit, this time GM's banking on public acceptance.
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What a stupid idea. Another nanny thing that people will have to deal with. So if I get into my truck to move it 2 feet from where it's parked, I have to buckle up first. Wonder what would happen if you're driving on the highway at 70 and decide to unbuckle?
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yeah, i am not a fan of something like this preventing basic vehicle operation. too many situations can make this an annoying or bad idea. GM will probably use a $0.03 part that causes it to fail randomly as well. :)
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it be a $1.00 part cost for GM but it will cost you $150.00 plus labor after there 3 year bumper to bumper warranty expires. and it surely will crap out a month after!
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I wonder how long it will take before a mod comes out to override them like the first time the government tried this crap.
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Err wrote:I wonder how long it will take before a mod comes out to override them like the first time the government tried this crap.
It exists. Seat belt extension. Clicks into the seatbelt and is basically a 6 inch extension for obese people. Satisfies the system so it thinks it's buckled up.
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Won't work. because of stuff like that they have to design it to bee fool proof. If it sees the buckle switch and does not see that the belt has been "paid out" from the spool switch it should probably throw an alarm.

You think this is bad you should see how high tech machine guarding has become. Even when safety light curtains are one machines customers will still jumper them out in the control boxes. People got killed due to jumpered safety equipment. So now there is a carrier signal that goes out the the curtain and back and if it detects a bridge (jumper) the system disables the machine and locks itself out and you have to call the company to send somebody out to reset it and they are usually followed by OSHA.
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So other than GM thinking about this as a possible option, I've not heard where anyone else is planning to do this.
For '74 model year cars in the US, it wasn't an option, all cars had it so the government must have mandated it back then and everyone hated it. Fortunately back then anyone could easily disconnect the plug under the drivers seat and that was that but if done again today, it wouldn't be that easy.
I'm amazed that GM thinks this is possibly a good idea after 40 yrs. As it is now, all cars have chimes if you don't buckle up and isn't that enough?
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THis is just dumb. More people who do not know what I do telling me what to do.
I am out in the country on ranch roads and frequently stop and get out. No way would I buy a car that forces me to wear a seatbelt. Not all situations need a seat belt.

Same with DTRL. I do not always want lights on. Give me back my options to run my own life.

Wifes car the other day was low on washer fluid. The on screen display would only display the low wiper fluid warning and she could not see the A/C, fuel economy, or any other screen until wiper fluid was put in the system. This is just plain stupid.

Sorry... RANT OVER.
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Oh yeah. My dog also rides in the passenger seat. Her weight is enough to set off the seat belt alarm. I just love driving all day with an alarm telling me to buckle up my dog ... good thing I own a toyota and the audio alarm can be reprogramed. I only get a flashing light when my dog rides around the ranch with me feeding the horses. JUST STUPID.
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