It's a "cash for clunkers" trade in being destroyed by sodium silicate in place of oil in the engine. Cash for clunkers' isn't about saving the environment, it's about getting people to buy a new car to help the economy or whatever. Looks like just another waste of the governments (our) money. Looks like a lot of pollution there. Where are the environmentalist?
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qjBilHH5z2A&hl ... ram><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qjBilHH5z2A&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Is this how our wonderfull government works?
-
Executioner
- Life Member
- Posts: 10353
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2000 11:34 am
- Location: Woodland, CA USA
-
FlyingPenguin
- Flightless Bird
- Posts: 33161
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2000 11:13 am
- Location: Central Florida
- Contact:
Cash for Clunkers requires the engine to be destroyed so that the dealer can't just take the money from the government and then turn around and sell the car.
As for the pollution aspect. If you mean the smoke, I doubt that is a small fraction of the amount of pollution that car would contribute in 10 years of operation. Also, if you read the description the guy who posted it says that most cars just immediately die. This one was an exception putting up a fight. Now if you mean the oil on the ground, if the dealer drained the oil onto the ground instead of recycling it, they are violating federal EPA laws. That has nothing to do with the Cash for Clunkers program.
Me personally, I think it's a silly program because it doesn't prevent people from going out and buying another gas guzzler. If gas stays relatively expensive then cars will become smaller and more fuel efficient and the big gas guzzlers will just eventually get retired. That's just automotive evolution at work.
As for the pollution aspect. If you mean the smoke, I doubt that is a small fraction of the amount of pollution that car would contribute in 10 years of operation. Also, if you read the description the guy who posted it says that most cars just immediately die. This one was an exception putting up a fight. Now if you mean the oil on the ground, if the dealer drained the oil onto the ground instead of recycling it, they are violating federal EPA laws. That has nothing to do with the Cash for Clunkers program.
Me personally, I think it's a silly program because it doesn't prevent people from going out and buying another gas guzzler. If gas stays relatively expensive then cars will become smaller and more fuel efficient and the big gas guzzlers will just eventually get retired. That's just automotive evolution at work.
---
“The Government of Spain will not applaud those who set the world on fire just because they show up with a bucket.” - Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro Sánchez
“The Government of Spain will not applaud those who set the world on fire just because they show up with a bucket.” - Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro Sánchez
-
EvilHorace
- Life Member
- Posts: 6611
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2000 7:14 am
- Location: Greenfield, WI
We just did that to our first 'cash for clunkers' car yesterday. They destroyed the engine on a '90 Volvo 745 16V that got 22 mpg hwy (16 city) as per EPA rating ( I checked).
I think it's ridiculous that it's yet another tax burden, one more thing that we tax payers are getting added to the huge debt that can never be repaid. Why should tax payers have to pay to get older cars off the roads?
As for what they have to buy, according to people at work, the car has to get 10 more mpg to qualify but I'm not sure about that. I'll have to google that.....later.
I think it's ridiculous that it's yet another tax burden, one more thing that we tax payers are getting added to the huge debt that can never be repaid. Why should tax payers have to pay to get older cars off the roads?
As for what they have to buy, according to people at work, the car has to get 10 more mpg to qualify but I'm not sure about that. I'll have to google that.....later.
<img src="http://www.pcabusers.org/images/evil2.gif">
I never saw anything in the media about the destroy the engine part. Some cars probably on their last legs. But how many people could be employed loading those puppies onto ships and selling them wherever. A lot of the new 3rd world mobiles pollute more than these do.
I guess we'll just ship the hulks to China for recycling (or new engines
) to service our debt with them...........
Strikes me as kind of strange that the program doesn't restrict new cars to US brands.....guess that would be "unfair"
I guess we'll just ship the hulks to China for recycling (or new engines
) to service our debt with them...........Strikes me as kind of strange that the program doesn't restrict new cars to US brands.....guess that would be "unfair"
<a href="http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=123" target="_blank" >Heatware</a>
Well, it's over now
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/30/autos/c ... /index.htm
Too many clunkers, too little cash
Shortly after launching, the $1 billion Cash for Clunkers program may be almost spent out. Administration weighs next step.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- This much seems certain about the Cash for Clunkers program: Consumers are happy to take government rebates to buy new cars.
The fate of the $1 billion trade-in program was up in the air over concerns that it may have already burned through its funds less than a week after it was officially launched.
It was unclear whether car buyers would be able Friday to trade in clunkers.
Congressional sources said early Thursday evening that the program would be put on hold. But Obama administration officials said later that Clunkers had not been suspended and that they were studying the situation.
"Auto dealers and consumers should have confidence that all valid ... transactions that have taken place to date will be honored," a White House official said in a statement.
An official at the Department of Transportation, which manages Cash for Clunkers, said the administration would try to work with Congress to find more funds to keep it going.
One of the program's main champions in Congress, Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., called on Congress to appropriate more money.
Stabenow said the effort has provided an important boost to the economy and resulted in 200,000 car sales.
"I am delighted to hear dealers say that all of their salespeople are busy and they are selling more cars in a day than they had been selling in a month," Stabenow said.
Meanwhile, the Transportation Department was sorting out how much of the plan's funds have already been committed.
Cash for Clunkers, which Congress passed in June, is set to end on Nov. 1 or whenever its $1 billion budget has been depleted.
An early version of the Clunkers proposal in Congress called for appropriating $4 billion.
Under the plan as enacted, vehicles purchased after July 1 will be eligible for refund vouchers worth $3,500 to $4,500 on traded-in gas guzzlers. The trade-in vehicle has to get combined city and highway fuel economy ratings of 18 miles per gallon or less.
The program aims at helping the struggling auto industry by taking inefficient cars off the road and spurring new sales.
"With this program, we are giving the auto industry a shot in the arm and struggling consumers can get rid of their gas-guzzlers and buy a more reliable, fuel-efficient vehicle," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in a statement Monday.
Domestic auto sales have been hit hard by the recession and credit crunch and helped propel the bankruptcies and government bailouts of General Motors and Chrysler. In June, the seasonally adjusted annual sales rate fell to 9.7 million, a pace well below recent years.
As of Wednesday afternoon, nearly 30,000 Clunker transactions had already been submitted to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the agency said, with requests totaling almost $96 million in disbursements.
Too many clunkers, too little cash
Shortly after launching, the $1 billion Cash for Clunkers program may be almost spent out. Administration weighs next step.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- This much seems certain about the Cash for Clunkers program: Consumers are happy to take government rebates to buy new cars.
The fate of the $1 billion trade-in program was up in the air over concerns that it may have already burned through its funds less than a week after it was officially launched.
It was unclear whether car buyers would be able Friday to trade in clunkers.
Congressional sources said early Thursday evening that the program would be put on hold. But Obama administration officials said later that Clunkers had not been suspended and that they were studying the situation.
"Auto dealers and consumers should have confidence that all valid ... transactions that have taken place to date will be honored," a White House official said in a statement.
An official at the Department of Transportation, which manages Cash for Clunkers, said the administration would try to work with Congress to find more funds to keep it going.
One of the program's main champions in Congress, Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., called on Congress to appropriate more money.
Stabenow said the effort has provided an important boost to the economy and resulted in 200,000 car sales.
"I am delighted to hear dealers say that all of their salespeople are busy and they are selling more cars in a day than they had been selling in a month," Stabenow said.
Meanwhile, the Transportation Department was sorting out how much of the plan's funds have already been committed.
Cash for Clunkers, which Congress passed in June, is set to end on Nov. 1 or whenever its $1 billion budget has been depleted.
An early version of the Clunkers proposal in Congress called for appropriating $4 billion.
Under the plan as enacted, vehicles purchased after July 1 will be eligible for refund vouchers worth $3,500 to $4,500 on traded-in gas guzzlers. The trade-in vehicle has to get combined city and highway fuel economy ratings of 18 miles per gallon or less.
The program aims at helping the struggling auto industry by taking inefficient cars off the road and spurring new sales.
"With this program, we are giving the auto industry a shot in the arm and struggling consumers can get rid of their gas-guzzlers and buy a more reliable, fuel-efficient vehicle," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in a statement Monday.
Domestic auto sales have been hit hard by the recession and credit crunch and helped propel the bankruptcies and government bailouts of General Motors and Chrysler. In June, the seasonally adjusted annual sales rate fell to 9.7 million, a pace well below recent years.
As of Wednesday afternoon, nearly 30,000 Clunker transactions had already been submitted to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the agency said, with requests totaling almost $96 million in disbursements.
<a href="http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=123" target="_blank" >Heatware</a>
-
EvilHorace
- Life Member
- Posts: 6611
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2000 7:14 am
- Location: Greenfield, WI
The engine's destroyed, the car gets towed and crushed so it'll never be re-used, not even its parts.But how many people could be employed loading those puppies onto ships and selling them wherever.
Btw, they just approved more money for it, like 2 billion (twice as much as before) so the insanity continues.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... TE=DEFAULT
I'd have to say that the car I saw did better than that. I have a similar Volvo wagon but turbo, less valves and it'll average better than that unless my foot's in it alot in city traffic. I have to then wonder who decides what the cars mileage really is, the customer? "yeah.....sucks" ?The trade-in vehicle has to get combined city and highway fuel economy ratings of 18 miles per gallon or less.
<img src="http://www.pcabusers.org/images/evil2.gif">
That jeep hardly looked like a "clunker". All the body panels looked good... the engine was fine till they broke it. Why crush it up.. reuse the parts. they are worth money. plus the jobs of the mechanics and body shops that strip and reuse parts.
On the other hand... I smell a scam. Gonna take my car in for an oil change and then ruin my engine and say they put that clunker bomb in by mistake and get a shiny new free engine.
EDIT: Oh and where the hell is OSHA? they would have a field day with this. No saftey what so ever.. local zoning boards could have a field day ticketing dealers for doing stuff they are not zoned for.
On top of that.. why destroy it. why not give it to somebody who NEEDS it? kill several birds with one "clunker"
On the other hand... I smell a scam. Gonna take my car in for an oil change and then ruin my engine and say they put that clunker bomb in by mistake and get a shiny new free engine.
EDIT: Oh and where the hell is OSHA? they would have a field day with this. No saftey what so ever.. local zoning boards could have a field day ticketing dealers for doing stuff they are not zoned for.
On top of that.. why destroy it. why not give it to somebody who NEEDS it? kill several birds with one "clunker"
[align=center]A self-aware artificial intelligence would suffer from a divide by zero error if it were programmed to be Amish[/align]
-
Koo Koo Mouse
- Posts: 1712
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2000 5:09 pm
- Location: Osseo MN
-
EvilHorace
- Life Member
- Posts: 6611
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2000 7:14 am
- Location: Greenfield, WI
Yeah, I'd hardly call that Jeep a "clunker" either. As for why they're then destroyed, the idea is to get them off the road, period. No one can then profit on them or fix them to be still be driven again.
Another real joke about all this is that they're STILL producing many new vehicles that get the same mileage or worse. That being the case, why is government paying for this?
I finally googled the topic so here, you too can now read up on the facts:
http://www.cars.gov/index.php/faq
Here's one tidbit:
What happens to the vehicle I trade in?
The CARS Act requires that the trade-in vehicle be crushed or shredded so that it will not be resold for use in the United States or elsewhere as an automobile. The entity crushing or shredding the vehicles in this manner will be allowed to sell some parts of the vehicle prior to crushing or shredding it, but these parts cannot include the engine or the drive train.
Another real joke about all this is that they're STILL producing many new vehicles that get the same mileage or worse. That being the case, why is government paying for this?
I finally googled the topic so here, you too can now read up on the facts:
http://www.cars.gov/index.php/faq
Here's one tidbit:
What happens to the vehicle I trade in?
The CARS Act requires that the trade-in vehicle be crushed or shredded so that it will not be resold for use in the United States or elsewhere as an automobile. The entity crushing or shredding the vehicles in this manner will be allowed to sell some parts of the vehicle prior to crushing or shredding it, but these parts cannot include the engine or the drive train.
<img src="http://www.pcabusers.org/images/evil2.gif">
I was reading up as well...seems like the dealer has to kaboozle the engine before they can send the paperwork in for the uncle sam $$ . . . if it turns out someone made a mistake on the clunker's eligibility or the well has gone dry... they are sol
<a href="http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=123" target="_blank" >Heatware</a>
-
EvilHorace
- Life Member
- Posts: 6611
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2000 7:14 am
- Location: Greenfield, WI
They won't be returned to the customers but the dealers will be SOL if something doesn't go through. I've read where local dealers that are doing alot of these figure they'll get burned by a few. If I owned a dealer, I'd have to see the $$ first, not assume that I'll just get it.
<img src="http://www.pcabusers.org/images/evil2.gif">