Transit chief eyes tax on miles driven-Update

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Transit chief eyes tax on miles driven-Update

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UPDATE: Looks like the plan has been nixed anyway: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298315/


http://freep.com/article/20090220/BUSINESS01/90220017/New+transportation+chief+eyes+tax+on+miles+driven
WASHINGTON — Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says he wants to consider taxing motorists based on how many miles they drive rather than how much gasoline they burn — an idea that has angered drivers in some states where it has been proposed.
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Gasoline taxes that for nearly half a century have paid for the federal share of highway and bridge construction can no longer be counted on to raise enough money to keep the nation’s transportation system moving, LaHood said in an interview.

“We should look at the vehicular miles program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that they traveled,” the former Illinois Republican lawmaker said.

Most transportation experts see a vehicle miles traveled tax as a long-term solution, but Congress is being urged to move in that direction now by funding pilot projects.

The idea also is gaining ground in several states. Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island are talking about such programs, and a North Carolina panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.

A tentative plan in Massachusetts to use GPS chips in vehicles to charge motorists by the mile has drawn complaints from drivers who say it’s an Orwellian intrusion by government into the lives of citizens. Other motorists say it eliminates an incentive to drive more fuel-efficient cars since gas guzzlers will be taxed at the same rate as fuel sippers.

Besides a VMT tax, more tolls for highways and bridges and more government partnerships with business to finance transportation projects are other funding options, LaHood, one of two Republicans in President Barack Obama’s cabinet, said in the interview Thursday.

“What I see this administration doing is this — thinking outside the box on how we fund our infrastructure in America,” he said.

LaHood said he firmly opposes raising the federal gasoline tax in the current recession.

The program that funds the federal share of highway projects is part of a surface transportation law that expires Sept. 30. Last fall, Congress made an emergency infusion of $8 billion to make up for a shortfall between gas tax revenues and the amount of money promised to states for their projects. The gap between money raised by the gas tax and the cost of maintaining the nation’s highway system and expanding it to accommodate population growth is forecast to continue to widen.

Among the reasons for the gap is a switch to more fuel-efficient cars and a decrease in driving that many transportation experts believe is related to the economic downturn. Electric cars and alternative-fuel vehicles that don’t use gasoline are expected to start penetrating the market in greater numbers.

“One of the things I think everyone agrees with around reauthorization of the highway bill is that the highway trust fund is an antiquated system for funding our highways,” LaHood said. “It did work to build the interstate system and it was very effective, there’s no question about that. But the big question now is, We’re into the 21st Century and how are we going to take care of our infrastructure needs ... with a highway trust fund that had to be plused up by $8 billion by Congress last year?”

A national transportation commission is expected to release a report next week recommending a VMT.

The system would require cars and trucks to be equipped with global satellite positioning technology, a transponder, a clock and other equipment to record how many miles a vehicle was driven, whether it was driven on highways or secondary roads, and even whether it was driven during peak traffic periods or off-peak hours.

The device would tally how much tax motorists owed depending upon their road use. Motorists would pay the amount owed when it was downloaded, probably at gas stations at first, but an alternative eventually would be needed.


Rob Atkinson, president of the National Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing Commission, the agency that is developing future transportation funding options, said moving to a national VMT would take about a decade.

Privacy concerns are based more on perception than any actual risk, Atkinson said. The satellite information would be beamed one way to the car and driving information would be contained within the device on the car, with the amount of the tax due the only information that’s downloaded, he said.

The devices also could be programmed to charge higher rates to vehicles that are heavier, like trucks that put more stress on roadways, Atkinson said.
The cost to implement such a tracking system would outweigh revenue benefit. Let's say they do charge $0.0025 for every mile driven. I drive 41, 600 miles per year going back and forth to work. That's $104 in revenue to to Uncle Sam. A typical GPS costs ~100 dollars and I'm sure a government issued GPS would cost two or three times that. Plus, How do they keep these things tamper proof. My guess is that placing a piece of brass mesh over the device will block all signal.

If they what a tax per mile, fine. Drop the federal taxes on fuel which will never happen) and charge by the odometer reading when you go to renew your tags.
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But then people like me disconnect my speedometer input and cause my car not to log miles any more.

And what if I'm not driving on roads? My sand rail is street legal and i can just drive in ditches if i wanted.
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I don't think this will happen. Just too much work.
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But then people like me disconnect my speedometer input and cause my car not to log miles any more.
Ever use a GPS? With a GPS unit, it will get your cars movement w/o a cars speedo. input. You won't be able to disable it unless you can remove it from the car and sure, I'd be thinking about that too. Maybe leave it attached to your car one or two days per week? I'm sure it'd be hidden from most owners but who's going to be installing them anywhere on my cars where I won't be able to find them and figure a way to remove them?

A typical GPS costs ~100 dollars
Not something as basic as one needed to simply track a cars movement. There are now very inexpensive GPS devices that can do basic things like that. It won't need any mapping SW, etc, just be able to track your car. Cell phones have a GPS inside.

Yeah, I think the cost to implement such a program might outweigh their potential tax dollars but then look what they've spent for emissions programs.
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In theory a fair way to tax motorists, but in practice impossible to enforce and a nightmare to implement.
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FlyingPenguin wrote:In theory a fair way to tax motorists, but in practice impossible to enforce and a nightmare to implement.
very true.

A Dodge Viper will get taxes as much as a Civic Hybrid as far as miles drive.


They would also need to remove the taxes they collect from gas sold
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DoPeY5007 wrote:very true.

A Dodge Viper will get taxes as much as a Civic Hybrid as far as miles drive.


They would also need to remove the taxes they collect from gas sold
I think that's the whole point of the tax. As the US moves to more efficient cars and drives less, there's less revenue for infrastructure. With more efficient Hybrids and electric cars on the horizon, this revenue will diminish even more.

You can bet they'll NEVER drop the tax per gallon.

I'd like to know how much taxpayer money was spent on studying proposed tracking system.
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