New Video of 9/11 attack on Pentagon released

TruckStuff · Post by **TruckStuff** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:04 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195702,00.html

Pentagon Releases Video of Plane Hitting Building on 9/11
Tuesday, May 16, 2006

WASHINGTON — Conspiracy theorists may or may not be disappointed Tuesday when they see footage released from the Pentagon showing two angles of American Flight 77 hitting the western wall of the building on Sept. 11, 2001.

The Department of Justice released the videotape after a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a government watchdog. The request was made to quiet claims by some that pictures from that day never showed an airplane, only the "alleged" impact of the plane. Those claims spawned theories that the U.S. government faked the crash at the Pentagon.

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

One of the tapes is from a security camera that was used to produce five still shots on that day. That video, which takes pictures in half-second increments, shows the nose cone of the plane clearly entering the picture, then a blur and then a fireball.

The other camera shot that hasn't been seen before shows more of the plane before the fireball.

Several other cameras throughout the years supposedly caught part of the attack on tape, but none of these leads have panned out.

Tom Bortner, a Pentagon attack survivor, said he thinks the speed of the plane is what prevented the attack from being captured on more surveillance cameras on the premises.

"I think it's conclusive that plane hit the Pentagon and I don't think the tape really adds or detracts from that," Bortner said.

American Airlines Flight 77 left Dulles Airport outside Washington, D.C., around 8:51 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. On its way to Los Angeles, the plane was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. EDT; 184 people died in that attack.

Three other planes were hijacked that day. Two hit the North and South towers of the World Trade Center and one — United Flight 93 — believed to be headed to Washington, D.C., was stopped by passengers who fought the hijackers. The plane crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pa. Nearly 3,000 people died that day as a result of the attacks.

"I think it's appropriate that the American people be reminded from time to time about the horror of that day, be reminded about the fact we need to remain vigilant, we need to take the rest of the steps the commission recommended," James Thompson, the former Illinois governor who sat on the Sept. 11 commission, told FOX News.

A dramatic film, "United 93," is currently in wide release depicting that day. The film borrows heavily from taped phone conversations that passengers and crew had with their families and air traffic controllers before the fight for control of the plane.

Judicial Watch first filed the FOIA request in February 2004. It received a letter from the Pentagon in January 2005 that it possessed a videotape responsive to the request but wouldn't release it since it was "part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui." Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit in February 2006, arguing that the Defense Department had "no legal basis" to withhold the tape.

Moussaoui, the only person formally charged with his role in the attacks, was recently sentenced to six consecutive life terms in prison.

I haven't actually been able to watch the video yet as every site that has it is getting hammered.

Pugsley · Post by **Pugsley** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:07 pm

well if you ever can find it i would be intrested inseeing it.

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:22 pm

I hope this does shut up the conspiracy theorists, but I doubt it.

Slugbait · Post by **Slugbait** » Wed May 17, 2006 12:57 am

Originally posted by FlyingPenguin
I hope this does shut up the conspiracy theorists, but I doubt it.

Agreed. Once you start believing something, hard, cold evidence can always be explained away somehow...regardless how idiotic it may seem to argue at all.

It's like religion...it took hundreds of years for Greek and Roman religion to become myth. Now we've got a book of fiction that claims Jesus took a woman and bore children, and some poll sez millions will believe this supposed "crapola" when the book is read or the movie is seen. And when you think about it...why wouldn't Jesus hook up with some babe? What chick wouldn't be impressed by showing up with a bottle of Evian and turning it into cabernet sauvignon? And let's not forget how their eyes go wide when a man walks on water...

It's like the old saying...history is written by those who write it, not by those who make it

EvilHorace · Post by **EvilHorace** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:05 am

As for the conspiracy idea, how do they explain the fact that there was a plane and with a crew who all disappeared? Where else did that flight go and do they really think that our government had time to somehow also plan a fake missile attack on the pentagon with everything else going on? What would have been the point anyway?

TruckStuff · Post by **TruckStuff** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:38 am

Originally posted by EvilHorace
As for the conspiracy idea, how do they explain the fact that there was a plane and with a crew who all disappeared? Where else did that flight go and do they really think that our government had time to somehow also plan a fake missile attack on the pentagon with everything else going on? What would have been the point anyway?

What you are forgetting is that the conspiracy theorists don't *want* answers to these questions because they would then have nothing to talk about. They are asking them just for the sake of asking them. Every piece of evidence, especially five years removed, can be called into question and they put the burden of proof on you to prove that something did *not* happen. No amount of evidence can prove the unprovable.

Karchiveur · Post by **Karchiveur** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:49 am

Still, this video shows no evidence of anything, shows no plane, or missle.

-mind you, they had alot of time to edit the video

rogue · Post by **rogue** » Wed May 17, 2006 12:08 pm

Originally posted by FlyingPenguin
I hope this does shut up the conspiracy theorists, but I doubt it.

Maybe if the video was better quality than this 3 fps garbage...honestly, my local 711 has better security cameras.

MK888 · Post by **MK888** » Wed May 17, 2006 12:57 pm

I cant beleive that this is the quality of the security cameras at the pentagon!!!! What a piece of crap.

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Wed May 17, 2006 4:48 pm

Well be realistic. You have to archive all this crap, and 1 - 3 fps is pretty standard. More than good enough to ID a car or a person walking past, which is what they're meant for. They were never meant to capture a plane traveling that velocity.

Frankly the conspiracy theorists would never be happy. I've read eye witness reports by first responders who saw more massive plane parts (engines, landing gear) and plenty of body parts from people on the plane.

I never could understand why people find absurd conspiracy theories so attractive.

Pugsley · Post by **Pugsley** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:01 pm

What i want to see is the video taken from the highway traffic cameras. they would have seen the jet as it flew over the highway.

EvilHorace · Post by **EvilHorace** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:31 pm

That plane was moving at more than 350 mph when it impacted and that's why they say it wasn't captured on those videos.

TruckStuff · Post by **TruckStuff** » Fri May 19, 2006 8:26 am

Originally posted by Pugsley
What i want to see is the video taken from the highway traffic cameras. they would have seen the jet as it flew over the highway.

Ehhh... you do realize that those cameras are watching the *traffic* not the skies, right?

MK888 · Post by **MK888** » Fri May 19, 2006 12:54 pm

Well be realistic. You have to archive all this crap, and 1 - 3 fps is pretty standard. More than good enough to ID a car or a person walking past, which is what they're meant for. They were never meant to capture a plane traveling that velocity.

True..... I saw the entire video (not just the peice on the news) and as one point you see a car pass in front of the camera. It is in full view for at least 4 or five frames....

I just cant believe they dont have tons of cameras all over the building... I mean cmon, it is the pentagon!

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Fri May 19, 2006 2:11 pm

They may have, but if they're all set to 1 - 3 fps, a plane moving at that speed will just be a blur.

Even if someone happened to catch it with a camcorder it probably would have been blurry without the high speed shutter enabled.

If the speed quoted about - 350MPH - is correct, that's seriously fast.

You can't compare this with the planes that hit WTC - those speeds were almost leisurely by comparison. This plane was in a dive and I'm sure the pilot wanted as much airspeed as possible to avoid being hit by shoulder mounted missiles. I'm sure they were expecting some defensive systems at the Pentagon.

Keep in mind no one even caught the first plane hitting WTC. I assume that would have also been explained away as the plane never existing by conspiracy theorists if the 2nd one hadn't hit. Only reason we caught so many views of the 2nd one is because so many cameras were aimed at the first burning tower already.