Hi fellas, need your thoughts on a deal I'm in the middle of.....

Viperoni · Post by **Viperoni** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:01 pm

Whoa, Global Priority is usually within a weeks time for me.....GL to you 2 guys!

hammer01 · Post by **hammer01** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:08 pm

Skorpion it is absolutely your responsibility to get his ram into his hands, irregardless of who lost it in transit. You need to take this more seriously as this is fraud if intent can be proven and with your actions and words I think it can. I know it may be a serious setback to you to lose the ram and money for an extended period of time but the right thing to do is always the right thing to do regardless of circumstances.

Pun · Post by **Pun** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:11 pm

Once the package reach the border, Skorp won't be able to do anything about it. He can't track nor claim the insurance.
My gf sent me a package thru Express mail (2day) from NY to Toronto but it took nearly 3 weeks to get there. Now that I am back in NY, my brother had to ship it back to NY and I am still waiting for the package to arrive. I am sure your package will turn out in couple of days, but in case it doesn't, I believe it's both of your responsibility since both of you took the risk of doing trades across the border.
Just my thought

hammer01 · Post by **hammer01** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:15 pm

When plucky paid his cash and Skorpion received it legally his end of the deal was completed, the rest is up to Skorpion to ensure it is done. This is the way we have done it since time began and this is the way it will be donew after we are gone. I do agree that plucky should help skorp resolve the insurance problems (that is the right thing to do) but he is under no legal obligation to do so.

Skorpion1G · Post by **Skorpion1G** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:19 pm

"Skorpion it is absolutely your responsibility to get his ram into his hands, irregardless of who lost it in transit. You need to take this more seriously as this is fraud if intent can be proven and with your actions and words I think it can. I know it may be a serious setback to you to lose the ram and money for an extended period of time but the right thing to do is always the right thing to do regardless of circumstances."

I DO take this seriously! FRAUD?? I dont think so. Im not out to ripp anyone off especially Pluck, I know he is a good guy and I will work something out with him no matter what happens. I will check with Customs like I said I would and then we will go from there.

[Edited by Skorpion1G on 01-12-2001 at 10:23 PM]

blade · Post by **blade** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:25 pm

hammer has it right. Once again for anyone in question <b>It is the sellers responsibilty to make sure a package reaches the buyer</b>. Till then the seller is still responsible. Regardless you need to refund him now if that's what plucky wants and he is fully entitled to that since he has nothing in his possession.

If he has to be the one to make any claim then he can forward that to you but he doesn't need to be the one still out his moola. That just isn't right skorp. At all.

hammer01 · Post by **hammer01** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:28 pm

OK skorpion I will take you at your word, I believe you will bend over backwards to make this right to everyone with whom you have traded this ram with. I will keep an eye out though just to see how things are moving along, but know this my primary concern is for your clientele who (as of this time) have not been satisfactorily dealt with.

Skorpion1G · Post by **Skorpion1G** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:31 pm

I dont agree with you at all Blade. It needs to be verified by me that it did not reach Canada before I can refund him.

Technically if the package reached the border that means I did my part and followed through.So,before you go throwing words like "FRAUD" into it, think of that.

Even if it reaches the border I will still work something out with Plucky and that is between he and I.

[Edited by Skorpion1G on 01-12-2001 at 10:33 PM]

blade · Post by **blade** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:36 pm

No, you are dead wrong and throughout all of this you have accepted zero responsibilty or accountability. You are responsible till it reaches him. End of story.

I'm really dissappointed that you don't understand that.

pca mod · Post by **pca mod** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:11 pm

Skorpion according to Webster:

[quote]fraud \Fraud\ (fr[add]d), n. [F. fraude, L. fraus, fraudis; prob. akin to Skr. dh[=u]rv to injure, dhv[.r] to cause to fall, and E. dull.] 1. Deception deliberately practiced with a view to gaining an unlawful or unfair advantage; artifice by which the right or interest of another is injured; injurious stratagem; deceit; trick.

If success a lover's toil attends, Few ask, if fraud or force attained his ends. --Pope.

2. (Law) An intentional perversion of truth for the purpose of obtaining some valuable thing or promise from another.

3. A trap or snare. [Obs.]

To draw the proud King Ahab into fraud. --Milton.

Constructive fraud (Law), an act, statement, or omission which operates as a fraud, although perhaps not intended to be such. --Mozley & W.

Pious fraud (Ch. Hist.), a fraud contrived and executed to benefit the church or accomplish some good end, upon the theory that the end justified the means.

Statute of frauds (Law), an English statute (1676), the principle of which is incorporated in the legislation of all the States of this country, by which writing with specific solemnities (varying in the several statutes) is required to give efficacy to certain dispositions of property. --Wharton.

Syn: Deception; deceit; guile; craft; wile; sham; strife; circumvention; stratagem; trick; imposition; cheat. See Deception.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

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Your efforts to evade responsibility can be construed as an attempt to defraud.

Snelski · Post by **Snelski** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:20 pm

Skorp, unless you have a clear understanding with the buyer that they agree to accept responsibility for the package if it reaches Canada, you are the responsible party for getting it there - period. You cannot simply absolve your responsibility if it got to the border, that's not cool. I also have to say that it's way unethical to trade on other boards when you still have outstanding trades to complete, not cool at all. I mean, how would you feel if you didn't get your stuff yet and saw that the person not coming through for you is selling stuff to others? Seriously Skorp, take care of business first and then continue trading...