Thoughts on Israel/Palistan

Slugbait · Post by **Slugbait** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:39 am

Another thing to consider is that the children of our "allies" in the Arab states, such as Saudi Arabia, are taught hate in their schools. Not taught to hate just anybody, but specifically Americans and Jews. Hell, there was a 20/20 episode (or some other news show) that highlighted how "our friend's" textbooks are written to condition the kidz to hate us. Barney doesn't sing and dance over there, guys...he's the wrong color, the wrong religion, and advocates sharing, equality and "getting along"...sins, all of them.

The whole thing about other Arab states proposing acceptance of Israel as long as they release the occupied territories is a farce. They all hate Jews, they always have and they always will. It's practically a written law that they have to do anything they can to exterminate Israel. And they've been trying to do just that for a half-century.

Arafat could have done something to stop the suicide bombers, in order to let the peace process begin. Heck, he had the entire Arab community (supposedly) pushing this "peace" thing for him. But instead he attempted to import more weapons, and sent in more suicide bombers. Are any Arab states out there critical of what Arafat's minions are doing? Or have they only been speaking out when something like storming Arafat's compound occurs?

That's right. They keep quiet when women and children are blown to pieces, then raise a stink when Arafat "gets confined". Oh no, Yasser's cell phone battery is getting low, what are we to do????

The Arabs are buying time with this "peace" bullshit. For what, I don't know. Either that, or they're spooked by George Junior...and want to have the appearance of being on "the good side". They project an appearance to have feelings for Saddam, but Saddam's kid (successor) is insane. Get rid of Saddam, and the whole place will go to hell. That's why George Senior didn't kill Saddam, and that's probably why the Arabs are protecting him. However, they definitely have a plan for Iraq, and my money sez that their plan doesn't include the Hussein family.

Look for a more important shift in the balance of power than the destruction of Israel coming to a CNN channel near you soon.

For me, it's not an issue of religion. We've had our Branch Davidians and other radical religious organizations that convinced me long ago that extreme religion is for the weak-minded or cerebrally-challenged, for those who willingly desire to be controlled by the few elite that want the power.

This is about hate and power. It's always been that way. Religion has simply always been the scapegoat for war: "you're the wrong religion, therefore you must die". Jeez, the entire history of war is filled with this kind of BS.

Don't get me wrong...I once had sympathy for the Palestinians. For a long time, actually. I thought Israel was being a bunch of jerks. Then on the morning of 9-11, I saw live footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets.

So I really don't have sympathy for Palestine anymore. Considering they do daily suicide bombings, regardless of who they mean to target, I consider them terrorists, and therefor I consider them the enemy.

So basically, I'm rooting for the Jews.

Wow, I could have said that at the beginning, and saved all those keystrokes...

TruckStuff · Post by **TruckStuff** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 12:36 pm

I think all religions feel that way, they "know" their religion is by far the best. Just ask the mormons, the baptists, cathlics, etc..

That may be true, but the difference is that Muslims are being consistent with the Qoran when they kill Jews and Christians. If the Southern Baptist Convention were to wage a holy war against other religions it would be very inconsistent with the Bible.

I'm not going to tell you that people haven't waged war "in the name of God", but I am going to tell you that there is no justification for any of those actions in the Bible. And I am going to tell you that every one of these suicide bombers is being perfetly consistent with the teachings of the Qoran and Islam.

dadx2mj · Post by **dadx2mj** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 12:59 pm

Truckstuff you obviously know more than I do about the Quoran and Islam but you almost make it soulnd like you think their actions are ok because the Quoran says so. I truely hope you dont feel that way.

blade · Post by **blade** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 1:48 pm

Meanwhile the seige continues.

Another bombing yesterday injures over 30 and 2 bombings today kill at least 14 and injure many more.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/03/ ... index.html

Sunday's two bombings make six terror attacks since the beginning of the Passover holiday Wednesday night. The attacks have killed at least 42 Israelis and wounded more than 100. 

Those people are not human.

And truck, what are your thoughts on this as dad mentioned? Thank you for making it clear how despicable their religion is but you don't agree with them, do you?

But no I didn't mean all religions think that killing people is in their thinking. Just that all religions usually don't like other religions, or at least disagree with other religions. But not to the point of wanting to remotely harm another just because they believe differently. Especially kill innocent people as those islamic ones do. But I still think those are extremists and not all islamic think like that. But you're saying I'm wrong. Maybe I am, heck I have no clue what those people are thinking. And sadly I really believe they don't either. They "think" they do, but they don't.

One things for sure. If it is in the islamic religion to do all those things you said then the only way there'll ever be peace is if they all kill themselves.

poop · Post by **poop** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 4:10 pm

I think what Truck's saying is that Islam justifies the killing/submission of those of other faiths. This makes Islam rather unique, in the fact that they are not distorting what the religion teaches. In the case of the Crusades, Inquisition, Nazi slaughters, etc, things were done in the name of 'religion'. But... if you actually study the religion's teachings and basis (in this case the Bible), killing is NOT considered a good thing. In fact, it is quite evil.

So in the case of all the awful stuff done in the name of Chrisitanity, modern Christians can look on it and say "Gee, they were waaaayyy out of line." For Islam, this is not true. That faith actually supports wackos. I am guessing the conclusion is that Islam will always encourage its strict followers to kill everyone else. It isn't a mistake, like the things 'done for' God/Jesus.

I really want to learn more about Islam to see if this is true. I have always heard (granted, from the media), that Islam is a peaceful religion, like any other modern popular religion. If this is not true, I will ahve to seriously reevaluate my views.

TruckStuff · Post by **TruckStuff** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 8:42 pm

Truckstuff you obviously know more than I do about the Quoran and Islam but you almost make it soulnd like you think their actions are ok because the Quoran says so. I truely hope you dont feel that way.

I most certainly do not. Its more along the lines of what poop said. I am not saying that I think they are justified, but that THEY think they are justified. And please don't think that every Muslim in the world is a threat or a potnetial terrorist. There are many "liberal" Muslims around the world (in the US especailly) that have either ignored the parts of the Qoran about killing Jews and Christians, or have managed to explain it away some how. So you don't have any reason to fear your Arab neighbor, especially if you live in the devloped world. The more "conservative" Muslims that hold more closely to the entire teachings of the Qoran are in places like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Indonesia.

BTW, let me know if you still want me to post the Qoran references. There were going to be used as a defense, but now if you want them for general information, LMK.

JMan · Post by **JMan** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:54 pm

Things aren't getting any better over there, with the ongoing bombings and all. This doesn't look very good either: http://www.msnbc.com/news/732442.asp?cp1=1
Some kind of intervention is needed.

JMan

VidmanII · Post by **VidmanII** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:58 pm

What you are seeing is two Hard Liners at work. Sharon and Arafat. Until more moderate leaders of BOTH sides are in place, this is what you'll have.

The worst aspect of this mess is the total lack of leadership by the Arab nations.

Post by **sbp** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 3:29 am

Originally posted by JMan
Things aren't getting any better over there, with the ongoing bombings and all. This doesn't look very good either: http://www.msnbc.com/news/732442.asp?cp1=1
Some kind of intervention is needed.

JMan

Until both sides are tired of bloodshed and want to talk there is little the world can do.

Even if there was no conflict going on, putting US troops into this situation where militants would love to kill them would be unwise.

poop · Post by **poop** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 7:17 am

I agree. Intervention is not always the best solution. Look at Somalia. Granted, the situation is quite different in Israel/Palestine, but I feel the reaction to a US or UN intervention would be extremely violent.

blade · Post by **blade** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 7:34 am

Color me blind but isn't Israel doing this to try and root out the terrorists and those responsible. Who are we to even think of trying to get them to back off. If those suicide bombings were happening to us you bet we'd be doing some things similar.

Even if we did "intervene" then no matter what we do we'd still be the one at fault since we "can never do anything right" in their views. And as sbp said we'd risk our own peope.

And why are some lost on this fact. The palistans are fighting with the INTENTION of killing innocent people. Isreal is not. Big difference. Hense Israel has our support.