i now believe that the earth is less than 10k years old!
i actually saw scientific evidence that the scale of time of the universe is significantly incorrect
sirius is a star that was a red giant 1500 years ago when it was first recorded, it is now a white dwarf this process is supposed to take 400 million years
the moon's distance from the earth is too close for billions of years to have past
the earth's magnetism has dropped 6 percent in the last 150 years. at the rate this has been happening their shouldnt be any magnetism left since it degrades exponentially
comets who have a life of about 10k years still fly around today, believe it or not their is no source for new comets in our solar system, no one has ever seen the oort cloud someone made that up to substantiate current comets
things like this make me question the amount of time stuff has been here
and we all know u cant trust carbon dating 2 parts of an apple weret taken and preserved in diffrent ways, 1 calc'd to 1000 years old the other side 100, it was a fresh apple
im crazy i know, we dont have a religion section so i posted it here!
w00t for crazy fundementalist christians
ive just become of *them christians
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ive just become of *them christians
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Sov, it would greatly help if you understood modern physics and geology. You been cruising the Christian psuedo-science websites again?
Let's just ignore the all the geological evidence for starters. And I suggest you don't visit the Grand Canyon if you don't want your bubble burst.
I won't even bring up nuclear physics and how the half-life of heavy transuranic elements easily proves the age of the Earth is well into the millions.
Or that modern telescopes can easily see way past 10,000 light years (we've been looking at objects well into the billion light-year range whose light has taken a billion years to reach us.
I could go on, but what's the point? Live in a box if you like.
PS: Comets don't have a "half-life". Where'd you get that from?
Let's just ignore the all the geological evidence for starters. And I suggest you don't visit the Grand Canyon if you don't want your bubble burst.
I won't even bring up nuclear physics and how the half-life of heavy transuranic elements easily proves the age of the Earth is well into the millions.
Or that modern telescopes can easily see way past 10,000 light years (we've been looking at objects well into the billion light-year range whose light has taken a billion years to reach us.
I could go on, but what's the point? Live in a box if you like.
PS: Comets don't have a "half-life". Where'd you get that from?
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i visited the grand canyon its missing erosion, a complete lack of it between layers
it didnt rain for millions of years?
petrified trees straight up thru 8 layers of strata? wow thats some tree eh?
half lifes are affected by earths magnetism, i dont have to explain that to you do i?
u realize how ion's and subatomic particles are affected by magnetism dont you?
comets stream a tail of ice and debree...they expire, use your mind
lookup the lifespan of a comet
and do i have to explain doppler effects the diffrence between a single moving object and 2 moving objects? because of this the 'age' and 'distance' of light cannot be determined correctly
if u see visible light from something over 100,000 light years away and your'e not looking at visible light
your looking at some other radiation that has degraded down to light, do i also have to show u the evidence that the speed of light was once greater than it now? evidence has been found that the speed of light slows down as the universe expands
if i live in box, i need an explaination as to where you live
it didnt rain for millions of years?
petrified trees straight up thru 8 layers of strata? wow thats some tree eh?
half lifes are affected by earths magnetism, i dont have to explain that to you do i?
u realize how ion's and subatomic particles are affected by magnetism dont you?
comets stream a tail of ice and debree...they expire, use your mind
lookup the lifespan of a comet
and do i have to explain doppler effects the diffrence between a single moving object and 2 moving objects? because of this the 'age' and 'distance' of light cannot be determined correctly
if u see visible light from something over 100,000 light years away and your'e not looking at visible light
your looking at some other radiation that has degraded down to light, do i also have to show u the evidence that the speed of light was once greater than it now? evidence has been found that the speed of light slows down as the universe expands
if i live in box, i need an explaination as to where you live
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Why would there be erosion BETWEEN LAYERS in the Grand Canyon? The erosion is the river eroding down though the rock creating the canyon, and water cascading down the walls eroding the walls back from the river (which is also what stains the walls red - the red soil and sand has turned the white limestone reddish in color.
There is no erosion between layers - why should there be? Or am I misunderstanding your terminology? Anything existing BETWEEN layers would have been laid down millions of years ago BEFORE the river started eroding the valley. Oh, but that sort of violates your time table doesn't it?
Comets do have a lifespan. Not a "half-life". Half-life is a phenomenon of nuclear decay. Please keep you psuedo science in order - let's be tidy please.
I seem to remember from some Astronomy class that the "LIFE-SPAN" (maybe you or your source mis-read this?) was estimated at 1000 - 10,000 ORBITS (not years). Since a comet could have an orbit that's hundereds or even thousands of years, that could be a long while.
I have absolutely no idea how you imagine the half-life of a radio-isotope is related to the Earth's magnetic field. Please elaborate. Atomic decay is completely unaffected by magnetism. They're two different forces. A magnetic field can affect ions or protons or any other charged particle or atom, but it can't affect sub-atomic processes. Elementary physics. Physics is a hobby of mine.
Your description of the "doppler" effect as relates to light is absurd. You ever even go to science class in high school? Of course the FREQUENCY of light shifts, but not it's SPEED. The red shift is integral to determining distance. The more light is red-shifted (your doppler effect) the farther it has traveled. This is a straight forward calculation that's been known to physics since Hubble discovered it in the early 1900s. It hasn't been discredited. Hmmm... seems they names a space telescope after this man.
Why do I even bother? I've argued with people like you before. You invent your own psuedo science to use as the basis to support your beliefs.
Science doesn't work that way. A REAL scientist has to be able to make predictions or reproducable experiments based on his/her theories, that others can also reproduce. This is called peer review.
This keeps a crackpot from claiming the absurd. Oh sure you can claim anything you want, but if no one else can confirm it, then you might as well be talking about UFOs.
To sit and stare in the face of 500 years worth of firm scientific evidence of the geologic history of this planet and make up psuedo science to discredit it is laughable.
If the Earth is only 10,000 years old would you please go tell the geologists with Exxon and Shell Oil that they've been drilling in the wrong places and they're wasting their time? I'm sure they'll appreciate it. Call all the other engineers and scientists who use technology every day that presumes the Earth is older than 10,000 years and tell them they're all wrong.
Please tell Intel they're wasting time on designing computer chips because they can't possibly work because the physics that underpins them is severely flawed.
I suppose that means that nuclear bomb and power plants don't really work then because the fuel in them has only been in the ground for 10,000 years and that's not long enough for there to be any substantial amounts uranium. Please call the state department so we can stop worrying about Iran's nuclear intentions...
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Sov, but you are certainly entitled to your faith and if you have FAITH that the earth is 10,000 years old then THAT I can respect, and we can let that be.
HOWEVER what I don't appreciate is people who make up science in order to substantiate their FAITH. Bad science at that.
FAITH is FAITH. SCIENCE is SCIENCE.
I happen to believe in a Supreme being, and I generally follow Christian beliefs as I was raised that way. But I'm also a scientific person, and theoretical physics and biblical archeology are hobbies of mine. I choose not to live in ignorance.
There is no erosion between layers - why should there be? Or am I misunderstanding your terminology? Anything existing BETWEEN layers would have been laid down millions of years ago BEFORE the river started eroding the valley. Oh, but that sort of violates your time table doesn't it?
Comets do have a lifespan. Not a "half-life". Half-life is a phenomenon of nuclear decay. Please keep you psuedo science in order - let's be tidy please.
I seem to remember from some Astronomy class that the "LIFE-SPAN" (maybe you or your source mis-read this?) was estimated at 1000 - 10,000 ORBITS (not years). Since a comet could have an orbit that's hundereds or even thousands of years, that could be a long while.
I have absolutely no idea how you imagine the half-life of a radio-isotope is related to the Earth's magnetic field. Please elaborate. Atomic decay is completely unaffected by magnetism. They're two different forces. A magnetic field can affect ions or protons or any other charged particle or atom, but it can't affect sub-atomic processes. Elementary physics. Physics is a hobby of mine.
Your description of the "doppler" effect as relates to light is absurd. You ever even go to science class in high school? Of course the FREQUENCY of light shifts, but not it's SPEED. The red shift is integral to determining distance. The more light is red-shifted (your doppler effect) the farther it has traveled. This is a straight forward calculation that's been known to physics since Hubble discovered it in the early 1900s. It hasn't been discredited. Hmmm... seems they names a space telescope after this man.
Why do I even bother? I've argued with people like you before. You invent your own psuedo science to use as the basis to support your beliefs.
Science doesn't work that way. A REAL scientist has to be able to make predictions or reproducable experiments based on his/her theories, that others can also reproduce. This is called peer review.
This keeps a crackpot from claiming the absurd. Oh sure you can claim anything you want, but if no one else can confirm it, then you might as well be talking about UFOs.
To sit and stare in the face of 500 years worth of firm scientific evidence of the geologic history of this planet and make up psuedo science to discredit it is laughable.
If the Earth is only 10,000 years old would you please go tell the geologists with Exxon and Shell Oil that they've been drilling in the wrong places and they're wasting their time? I'm sure they'll appreciate it. Call all the other engineers and scientists who use technology every day that presumes the Earth is older than 10,000 years and tell them they're all wrong.
Please tell Intel they're wasting time on designing computer chips because they can't possibly work because the physics that underpins them is severely flawed.
I suppose that means that nuclear bomb and power plants don't really work then because the fuel in them has only been in the ground for 10,000 years and that's not long enough for there to be any substantial amounts uranium. Please call the state department so we can stop worrying about Iran's nuclear intentions...
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Sov, but you are certainly entitled to your faith and if you have FAITH that the earth is 10,000 years old then THAT I can respect, and we can let that be.
HOWEVER what I don't appreciate is people who make up science in order to substantiate their FAITH. Bad science at that.
FAITH is FAITH. SCIENCE is SCIENCE.
I happen to believe in a Supreme being, and I generally follow Christian beliefs as I was raised that way. But I'm also a scientific person, and theoretical physics and biblical archeology are hobbies of mine. I choose not to live in ignorance.
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Originally posted by FlyingPenguin
Why would there be erosion BETWEEN LAYERS in the Grand Canyon? The erosion is the river eroding down though the rock creating the canyon, and water cascading down the walls eroding the walls back from the river (which is also what stains the walls red - the red soil and sand has turned the white limestone reddish in color.
There is no erosion between layers - why should there be? Or am I misunderstanding your terminology? Anything existing BETWEEN layers would have been laid down millions of years ago BEFORE the river started eroding the valley. Oh, but that sort of violates your time table doesn't it?
Comets do have a lifespan. Not a "half-life". Half-life is a phenomenon of nuclear decay. Please keep you psuedo science in order - let's be tidy please.
To be even more technical, comets out-gas - they don't evaporate. They are rock and ice. The ice is usually under the rock and vents from heating when it nears the sun. Irregardless There's absolutely nothing that says a comet only lasts a few thousand years. Matter of fact some comets may have orbits that take that long. Comets are BIG they can take a while to evaporate. Seems no one who's an expert in this field has read your sources. Wonder why?
I have absolutely no idea how you imagine the half-life of a radio-isotope is related to the Earth's magnetic field. Please elaborate. Atomic decay is completely unaffected by magnetism. They're two different forces. A magnetic field can affect ions or protons or any other charged particle or atom, but it can't affect sub-atomic processes. Elementary physics. Physics is a hobby of mine.
Your description of the "doppler" effect as relates to light is absurd. You ever even go to science class in high school? Of course the FREQUENCY of light shifts, but not it's SPEED. The red shift is integral to determining distance. The more light is red-shifted (your doppler effect) the farther it has traveled. This is a straight forward calculation that's been known to physics since Hubble discovered it in the early 1900s. It hasn't been discredited. Hmmm... seems they names a space telescope after this man.
Why do I even bother? I've argued with people like you before. You invent your own psuedo science to use as the basis to support your beliefs.
Science doesn't work that way. A REAL scientist has to be able to make predictions or reproducable experiments based on his/her theories, that others can also reproduce. This is called peer review.
This keeps a crackpot from claiming the absurd. Oh sure you can claim anything you want, but if no one else can confirm it, then you might as well be talking about UFOs.
Sorry Sov, but you are certainly entitled to your faith and if you have FAITH that the earth is 10,000 years old then I respect that, and we can let that be.
HOWEVER what I don't appreciate is people who make up science in order to substantiate their FAITH.
FAITH is FAITH. SCIENCE is SCIENCE.
I happen to believe in a Supreme being, and I generally follow Christian beliefs as I was raised that way. But I'm also a scientific person, and theoretical physics and biblical archeology are hobbies of mine.
To sit and stare in the face of 500 years worth of firm scientific evidence of the geologic history of this planet and make up psuedo science to discredit it is laughable.
If the Earth is only 10,000 years old would you please go tell the geologists with Exxon and Shell Oil that they've been drilling in the wrong places and they're wasting their time? I'm sure they'll appreciate it...
1. the layers of strata accoring to teh geologic table werent formed at once, thus their would be erosion between layers pockets of air(not just gas, actual air) and so on
2. i never once said comets have a half-life i think u need to get some reading comprehension in their
3. strong magnetism affects on radiation please look at this
http://online.cctt.org/physicslab/conte ... netism.asp
theirs scientists using magnetics and lasers to make radioactive material NONradioactive
4. on the speed of light, i really think u need to study up on this u seem to be lacking new knowledge
5. u can make a barrel of oil from useless material in about 20 minutes same for coal- hate to burst your bubble
im not arguing with u for the sake of arguement,
if u look at my OP u will that i choose this method of thought because their are far too many inconsistencies in current timelines. scientists just dont have enough answers and most of them are wrong anyway
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I surrender. You're absolutely right. I will sit here on my porch and sip my Jack Daniels and wait for the sun to explode when all of known physics crumbles in the face of Intelligent Design...
Or when the Rapture occurs and takes all of you annoying ID people away so the rest of us can get on with more important things (I prefer to stay behind with my Jewish and Indian friends, thank you).
Or when the Rapture occurs and takes all of you annoying ID people away so the rest of us can get on with more important things (I prefer to stay behind with my Jewish and Indian friends, thank you).
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OK, here's my take, and I realize alot of you think I am absolutely wacko, and that's OK too.
Growing up here in the Bible Belt, I grew up in church and a christian family. I am a christian because of my faith and my relationship with God. I believe the Holy Bible is true and without errors. Yes, I sin daily, hourly, lol. But I still believe I will one day be in the same heaven the Bible tells about. For me, it's all about the faith. I"ve seen the works
Flame on brothers
Growing up here in the Bible Belt, I grew up in church and a christian family. I am a christian because of my faith and my relationship with God. I believe the Holy Bible is true and without errors. Yes, I sin daily, hourly, lol. But I still believe I will one day be in the same heaven the Bible tells about. For me, it's all about the faith. I"ve seen the works
Flame on brothers
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Originally posted by nitro237
OK, here's my take, and I realize alot of you think I am absolutely wacko, and that's OK too.
Growing up here in the Bible Belt, I grew up in church and a christian family. I am a christian because of my faith and my relationship with God. I believe the Holy Bible is true and without errors. Yes, I sin daily, hourly, lol. But I still believe I will one day be in the same heaven the Bible tells about. For me, it's all about the faith. I"ve seen the works
Flame on brothers
u wont get any flaming here
i was a huge advocate of gensis being non literal, and that evolution happend
then i realized how idiotic that is
applying ockhams razor
whats more likely
a supreme being made everything OR before time began a ball of energy smaller than a period at 10pt's began to spin with complete absence of time space and matter, then that nothingness exploded
created the universe that spins(all galaxies should be spinning the same direction but they dont, its called the preservation of momentum) and on one of the planets it rained on rocks until some mucus came to life
god wins the religion of evolution is absurd
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Originally posted by MK888
My question is, why is noone trying to prove god exists?
If you believe God exist, you don't feel the need to prove it. I can't provide anyone with physical proof God exist, but I have no doubts about it.
Alot of Bible scholars give great physical evidence the Bible is true. I wish I understood more.
I dont doubt that lots of things in the bible are true.... or at least based on some truth.
I think we need to change some terminology. Instead of calling it intelligent design vs the theory of evolution... we should call it the theory of creation vs the theory of evolution.
Science never stops trying to prove theorys..... I think that religion if it wants to compete in the same manor, should at least come up with an attempt to prove something.
Also remember that the bible is the judeo/christian version of creation. Pagen religions had other ideas about creation, but where demonised, out of existance by the very groups that believe the bible is correct.
I think we need to change some terminology. Instead of calling it intelligent design vs the theory of evolution... we should call it the theory of creation vs the theory of evolution.
Science never stops trying to prove theorys..... I think that religion if it wants to compete in the same manor, should at least come up with an attempt to prove something.
Also remember that the bible is the judeo/christian version of creation. Pagen religions had other ideas about creation, but where demonised, out of existance by the very groups that believe the bible is correct.
Science never stops trying to prove theorys..... I think that religion if it wants to compete in the same manor, should at least come up with an attempt to prove something.
I really don't think christianity wants to "compete" in the same manor. I think christianity has a whole different mindset about it than non-christians. I'm not saying they're wrong or right, just different.Just MHO.
BTW, could you imagine this thread on another forum, lol