Si, if you thought Social Security was in trouble before

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Si, if you thought Social Security was in trouble before

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Man why does it seem every time we sign an agreement with Mexico we get screwed. <img src="http://www.pcabusers.com/forums/images/ ... dshake.gif"> Not even a reach around. :hj

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... pact_x.htm

U.S. and Mexican officials signed a controversial agreement this week that could allow millions of legal and undocumented Mexican immigrants who work in the United States to collect U.S. Social Security benefits.

Congress and the Mexican Senate still must approve the agreement, but U.S. lawmakers have routinely approved similar "totalization" agreements with 20 other countries in the past.

Under the agreement, Mexican workers who have divided their working lives between the United States and Mexico would be eligible for partial U.S. or Mexican retirement benefits based on combined credits earned from both countries. U.S. citizens working in Mexico also would qualify for partial benefits in both countries.

To qualify for U.S. Social Security benefits, Mexicans must prove they have worked in the United States at least 18 months. Payments are made on a prorated basis, depending on years worked in the United States.

Social Security Administration officials estimate 50,000 U.S. and Mexican workers may be eligible for such retirement benefits during the first five years of the agreement.

But last year, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, questioned the accuracy of those projections, saying Social Security officials had failed to account for the presence of many potentially eligible, undocumented Mexican immigrants and their families.

Census figures show the United States is home to 9 million Mexican citizens. About 5 million are here illegally, according to federal estimates.

Critics charge that the agreement could allow tens of thousands of undocumented Mexican immigrants to collect U.S. retirement benefits.

"Until we straighten out the mess in our immigration system — not to mention our Social Security system — these sorts of agreements are premature and fiscally irresponsible," said Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that advocates stricter immigration policies.

Social Security officials counter that undocumented immigrants are not eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits.

"A totalization agreement doesn't change our immigration laws," said Carolyn Cheezum, a spokeswoman with the Social Security Administration.

But Cheezum acknowledged that undocumented immigrants who become legalized residents could receive credit for prior earnings so long as they prove they paid into the U.S. system.

Social Security officials said the U.S.-Mexico totalization agreement, if approved, also would affect about 3,000 U.S. workers employed in Mexico. They said those workers and their employers would save about $140 million during the first five years of the agreement.

Under current law, U.S. citizens and their U.S. employers in Mexico must pay Social Security taxes to both counties. The same goes for Mexican citizens and Mexican employers in the United States.

The agreement would eliminate the "double tax" and require employees and employers to contribute to only one country's Social Security system.

U.S. and Mexican officials have been negotiating a totalization agreement for more than a year. The United States began pursuing such agreements in 1977 so Americans sent abroad by their employers would be eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits. Today, the United States has pacts with 20 countries, mostly in Europe.

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Even before this agreement, sure hope no one was actually going to depend on Social Security being around for the long haul. :s cratch

Social Security should have been privatized long ago.
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This is freaking BS. Just another way for companies to sit there and save money.....

It's not for the American people.....well at least the working ones.....it's for the companies with employees that work in both countries.
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What I can't stand is the pandering from both sides - Kerry and Bush to the mexican government and radical left wing groups like la razza. We should just invade and take the fvcking pos country over and clean house. Mexicans' need to start a revolution in their country; otherwise, we should just take it over.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124995,00.html
WTF is wrong with these idiots? What we need to do is bring back all the military from all around the world and station them at the border. Then the HSD can concentrate on removing the illigals that are already here, and I'm not talking just about Mexicans' or Central Americans'. I'm talking about ANYONE that is not here legally should be deported.

You can email Asa Hutchinson, Under Secretary for Border & Transportation Security and tell them to continue the round up of illegals that took place here in Southern California. This should be done in all states, not just California. It has been stopped with no reassurance it will continue again in the future.
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Social Security should have been privatized long ago.
I think it should have been eliminated long ago...... People should be responsible for their own finances. I get a little green letter from the SS office every year. It tells me that I will only get about 72% of what I should get "if something is not done" I have an idea..... let me keep my money, and invest it how I think it should be invested. I will definatly get more than 72% of what I put in, back when I retire....
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seriously KILL SSI ALREADY!
i want my money i do a helluva better job with it than the government!
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Originally posted by TheSovereign
seriously KILL SSI ALREADY!
i want my money i do a helluva better job with it than the government!


Heh, I would spend it.....but rather that then somebody else, eh?
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