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B to G?

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:24 pm
by blade
Is it worth it, anyone try it out?

I have b and it didn't always work with my 2nd system. But I'm building a setup for my nephew's son and they have dsl, but no router. G is newer so I assume it's far better?

Also, will a b work with a G wireless router?

Just need to know what they should get. Prices from what I've seen are just a little bit higher for G.

thanks :)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:31 pm
by wesg
I recently bought a wireless 54g microsoft router/access point w/ 1 usb2.0 from microsoft and also a 54g PCI card
much better signals and transfer rates I
I was happy with my purchase,
so if you do a lot of wireless transfers you cant go wrong.

But i would stay with the usb cards
they are much easier to move around if you need a little better signal.

in fact ygpm...........

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:46 pm
by wesg
forgot to mention B will work with G

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:52 pm
by TheSovereign
incorrect g is backward compatible to B

b gets far better range but is limited to about 500k per second realistically
g gets less range due to multi channel xmitting but can do realistically about 3x500k
or 1.5 megabytes per second or just a little faster than 10base ethernet

their u go, +'s and -'s happy purchasing

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:20 pm
by Busby
Originally posted by TheSovereign
incorrect g is backward compatible to B


Sov: How is he incorrect? B cards work with G access points which is what he said....


blade: CompUSA is running a special on a wireless G Netgear router that has a free PC card wireless card after rebates of course. The PC card has like 3 different rebates....it's insane! And the B will only operate at B speeds on the G router. So 11 Mbps theoretical speed.

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:41 pm
by blade
CrapUSA has screwed me out of way too many rebates. There will not be another chance.
*<small>with the exception of rebates from maxtor, those always come</small>

Anyway, I'm supplying most parts, this part is up to them. Guess I'll suggest they get a g router, and try a usb and a pci b card, which I have both of and see if that fits their needs. If not, then they can get a g usb card.


Thanks guys :)

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:59 pm
by TheSovereign
Originally posted by Busby
Sov: How is he incorrect? B cards work with G access points which is what he said....
it said wont before.... maybe a typing error
unless im blind

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:25 am
by FlyingPenguin
G isn't worth it unless you're doing file copying or printing over the network (and frankly if you are, you should be using a hardwire).

B is more than fast enough for internet access.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:36 am
by canton_kid
Something to think about, Wifi internet.

I was playing with it, and will be again soon, just got busy with other stuff. I would go with a G router for the extra speed. At the office I have a direct Lan connection to the ISP servers so I go as fast as they do with Cat 5 wired connection. They were setting up Wifi, but nothing much came of it yet. Anyway I bought a G router and used it to figure out the system, I also tested and played with some of their B cards, either seems to work well. Probably either is faster than the actual NET, but when I transferd files from my systems I could see the speed differences! Cat 5 cable of course is by far the fastest (and most secure), but you have to run the cables and sometimes you just don't want too or can't!
G was slower than cat5 but much faster than B. If you have to run a system without cable and will be doing much work between systems I would want G for the speed.
B will get you there but your kinda draggin your butt doing it, but it will keep up with the net pretty good it seems. B is probably faster than any current Net speeds your gonna get anyway, but I certainly would not want to transfer a DVD across B to another system! G transfer of a DVD is slow enough! Since I author DVDs sometimes I transfer the files to other systems to work on them while I capture more video or while I am burning several copies of one I've finished.

G routers will drop back to B speeds so there is no problem using both. I think you could actually use a G card in the pc and a B router even, but of course your only gonna run B speeds if it's a B router so why bother.

So I would get a G router incase it's needed for the extra speed like maybe a system in the basement or 2cnd floor later (that can't be wired) and get G cards for the systems if they won't be using any cat 5 connections and might do other stuff than internet. If only surfing the Net, then B cards will do. So if you get a good deal on B cards and only use is gonna be surfing the net I would use them, otherwise I would get the G's.

About the only use I would use a B card for myself would be internet only Wifi. Like if I have one system and antenna for a wifi connection and not doing anything with my other systems over the wireless.

As for the USB, I only tried one of those, it sucked! I had 2 systems side by side nearly. One had a Linksys G card installed, had a good signal and never lost connection. The usb B was one of those that look like a usb thumbdrive. It had a week signal and lost connection repeatedly. First it was plugged directly into the usb port, system was on floor under desk, thought maybe that was part of the problem, so I connected the cable that came with it and moved it around alot. It did not get any better.
The usb system was about even with the doorway and a straight unobstructed path down the hall to the outdoor antenna, though it did have to go through 3 open doors. At one time the system was sitting on the desk USB B plugged in directly also, same results.
The G card system was sitting against the wall and had to go through about 4 solid walls or wrap around the doorway and go the same path as the USB system, it worked far better!! And pretty sure it was shooting through the walls since the waves don't bend alot :rolleyes:

As far as the USB B device, when installed on a system 1 room closer to the outdoor antenna (about 20-30 feet) on that system it never seemed to lose connection, though it still had a weaker signal showing than my G card further away. Unless that was just a problem device with defects I would not use one myself. Maybe other types are available in USB, but beware and test the thumbdrive types. Not sure what brand that was, maybe netgear, something wal-mart sells because they got it there!

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 7:08 am
by FlyingPenguin
I recommend they USB NICs that DON'T look like thumb drives - the ones on a cable that have a flip up antenna. Better range and coverage.

Think about it - anything hidden behind the case like a thumb USB or card NIC will be blocked by the metal case (metal case will act a as a radio shield). You want your AP and NIC antennas to be up high and not blocked for best range.

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:48 am
by canton_kid
You have a good point FP.
I went looking to see what was around for USB and found alot of better stuff than I found before.
Last time most of what I found was about a dozen or so thumb types, course that's been awhile too I may have found a few of these better ones too and forgot about them.

Course since my main interest in Wifi right now is setting up a WIFI internet I need stuff that will take an external antenna anyway, a router is no problem, but for just one system going just on the net then the card would have to take an antenna. Could be why I didn't look as hard at the USB type too, most of what I saw now looks like the antenna is built on the device. I'll look more, but you know off hand if they take standard TNC or RP-TNC connecters for screw on antennas?

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:59 am
by DoPeY5007
Originally posted by FlyingPenguin
I recommend they USB NICs that DON'T look like thumb drives - the ones on a cable that have a flip up antenna. Better range and coverage.

Think about it - anything hidden behind the case like a thumb USB or card NIC will be blocked by the metal case (metal case will act a as a radio shield). You want your AP and NIC antennas to be up high and not blocked for best range.
my USB B card that looks like a thumb drive gets crappy signal, and then the USB b card with an external ant ( the one om my shuttle ) gets 100% sittin in the same place

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:39 am
by FlyingPenguin
Most USB models don't have screw-on antennas. PCI card versions usually do.

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:28 am
by canton_kid
Thanks Fp,
That's probably why I hadn't paid alot of attention to USBs beside the bad thumbdrive problems.
I need ability to connect external antennas later. Since most people that would be using the service would only have one system they'd have no use for a router, so the card has to have a screw on antenna I could take off and connect an external outdoor antenna.

The ISP isn't doing anything themselfs and lost the guys that were supposed to be working on this for them (they didn't do anything either). So I geuss if I want it, I'll have to build it myself! It's my only way to get above a 33k conection at home, build myself a WIFI service!

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:47 am
by DoPeY5007
Originally posted by FlyingPenguin
Most USB models don't have screw-on antennas. PCI card versions usually do.
true, but mine is an internal USB with the external ant.


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Nice card, it came with my system