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This isn't really a review of this printer as much as a review of what it can do. If you want a reviews:
PC World:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/ ... inter.html
Steves Digicams:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_rev ... mp830.html

In it's own right, it's a great printer/copier/fax/scanner. It's fast at both scanning & printing in my experience. I love the sheet fed scanner (so when I have a stack of papers to scan, I don't have to keep swapping them out). I also like the looks of the printer. Oh & did I mention that it has either front or rear paper loading, which was pretty big for me, because the shelf I use doesn't allow rear access very well & so being able to put the paper in the front tray was a real bonus. It has a USB slot & memory card slots, but I personally don't use those features, but I'm sure someone does. Oh, and another feature I do like is the boarderless printing. It bugs me when a printer has limits.

So, anyhow, what is nice about this printer is it's convertability.
PART 1
First off, if you are anything like me, you are a cheapskate. Thus, you buy all your ink from 3rd parties & fill the cartridges yourself. However, if you're really like me, you're as lazy as can be & can't be bothered to replace your ink at your printers will (like a recent cartoon so humerously presented). So, what to do? Well, fortunately, there are readymade kits to convert this printer to CISS (Continuous Ink System & no I don't know why there are 2 S's). Here's the one I have:
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There are other kits, & all claim to be the best, there is one that I feel better about (THIS ONE), but couldn't find for a reasonable price when looking, so I settled for this one.

It was fairly easy to install. Or to me it was. It took nearly an hour & most of the time was swapping the chips from the original cartridges to the new cartridges connected to the tanks. You need to have a razor blade (to remove the old mounting tabs) & a soldering iron (or something that you could melt plastic with) to melt the new mounting tabs onto the chip. After the chips are mounted, the hardest part is routing the ribbon hoses (that's what I'm gonna call them). This is where the instructions that were provided to me were vague. The picture they gave me was of a printer of a different model & after doing it myself, I can say that they need to change the instructions or the lines will be pinched. There is a ridge that they need to go over to run along the top of the panel & it is raised all around about 1/16 of an inch (presumably to keep dust out). Well, that pinches the hoses. I trimmed it down with the razor & ran the lines the rest of the way out (they are just thin enough to fit through the crack where the lid closes). Oh, also a hint, keep the remote cartridge below the printer while installing the cartridges to keep the ink from gushing from them. Lesson learned the hard way (with red hands to prove it).

Anyhow, after the first 10 or so uses, you'll see the ink draw completely into the lines (as shipped the lines are about half filled with air). I can't tell any difference in quality from the original cartridges yet.

PART 2
OK, now that was nice, now the other awsome thing about this printer is that it can print on printable CDs & DVDs. I find this to be awsome for my perfectionist ways. I always felt like a hick writing on my CDs & DVDs with a sharpie. Unfortunately, the powers that be believe that Americans don't have the right to do such things & so the option isn't even mentioned for this printer. However, those freedom lovin guys over in Europe have been printing on their CDs & DVDs for years now & laughing at us. Well, we'll have the last laugh. Just purchase a CD print tray on ebay & you'll be in business... or will you?
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You get it & find that there's nowhere to put it. But wait, there's a panel that's the same size as the tray all covered up, hmmmm. Let's pry that out & stick it in there anyhow. Fits just fine. OK, lets do some printing.... there's not option to print on CDs & DVDs. Oh wait, theres' a way to hack it is there? Of course. Everything is hackable. Apparently, the firmware has to be changed to EUR instead of USA. Through a series of seemingly random button presses, suddenly my printer takes on a European flare & likes to print on discs. All I need is some software to print & I'm golden.
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Hey, THANKS!

I need a new scanner bad, mine got mashed a bit and the glass popped lose so it juams durring scanning at time now. IO fix the glass and try to glue it and later it drops down again. Just an old flat bed cheapy.

Does that scanner also open up to lay out a book flat and all that simple normal stuff?

As for the Printer, I love Canon and that is all I will buy normally myself. About how much did this one cost and where abouts? I'll do some looking around.

As for the Cd DVD printing, YA that is nice ain't it :)
I have been doing it for years, First I had to Mod a Lexmark, take it apart and remove things, sand feet, file holes egg shaped to raise the head, ect... then make a tray by printing onto thin card board like a cereal box and cut out the hole then glue that to another piece same size. It work ok and far better than markers but not perfect.

Of course right away Epson came out with a printer for around $100 to print CDs DVDs and I grabbed one. The least used printer I ever had. Great printer but cost for ink was too high, I only used it for disks!

Later I bought a Canon IP 4200, about same mod to do to print disks as this printer you just showed. I like it allot and cheap to refill too! I bought 2, I have never wore out a Canon printer yet but I burn up a ton of others. 1 of mine got broke though, so now tie for another printer too.

Great this one is a scanner, printer and disks printer :)
Just what I need :)
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Title says Epson MP830 Hackage but printer shows Canon label LOL
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Title says Epson MP830 Hackage but printer shows Canon label LOL
LOL, it was pretty late when I did it & I was looking at Epsons while I was doing it (there are many similarities between the companies). It's been fixed.

So far, Canon's been good to me, this is my second (first one eventually clogged the head & couldn't get it clear, may have been the cheap refillink). HP's definately good if you buy their cartridges, but man the expense. I tried laser for a while, but the poor photo quality was killing me.
Does that scanner also open up to lay out a book flat and all that simple normal stuff?
Yes, indeed it does. I skipped over a bunch of the normal stuff & just stuck to the stuff that stuck out to me. Check the reviews I posted for that stuff (the Steve's Digicams one is very thorough).

I've always wanted to print on CDs, but never wanted to do any extreme mods to get there. So this worked perfect for me. There is actually a mod to make your own tray, but I think the $20ish is worth it to get reliable results.
About how much did this one cost and where abouts? I'll do some looking around.
Well, ebay's the place to get printers IMO if you're patient. I found mine used, but with full cartridges (which I spent the last 2 months using up before installing the kit) for $70 shipped. However, Amazon has it for $99-110 refurbished with $25 shipping.
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Ok, I did a search on Newegg for one before I saw you posted back again.

Newegg has a refurb for $79.99 didn't have shipping listed though.

I'll check the links and I want to see more about the CISS too :)
I been refiling for years, but it's nice to not worry about it.
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Here's the most thorough instructions I can find (PDF):
http://www.rihac.com.au/instructions/canon/IP4200.pdf

Here's a video example of how it works (for an Epson which seems to get all the press):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_azT2xgFrpo
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I got mine a few minutes ago.
Took me awhile to order it, money a little tight with the Daughter graduating high school this year. Seems like every week or two it's something, this week is Prom, 2 weeks is Graduation! ::

Well it looks great, now I need to make room somewhere to put it. Looks a bit larger in all directions than my Canon IP4200 so it won't sit in that spot as planned. It will actually take less room than the printer and scanner I have now, but those are in 2 smaller separate areas.

I got mine from Newegg, $84 with shipping, it's a refurb and looks brand new, came with full new tanks of course and a sealed new print head.

Well, off to look at the CIS systems, make sure I save room for one of those also :)
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Sounds good. Their newer model is smaller, though I haven't looked into the pricing or if it's CIS compatible. Get the CISS system before you use up the curent tanks. If the chips read empty or low, that's what the printer will believe from now on even after installing the CIS.
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I was reading up a bit on a couple things like that CISS PDF you linked.

Looks like the MP830 uses the same tanks as the IP4200 and I am thinking the same print head also but not checked yet.
If it does then I think I will use a spare Head and tanks I have from a broken IP4200. It worked great but hit the floor hard and now jams the paper, won't feed straight. I had a second IP4200 and just kept the broke one for parts if needed, never really tried to fix it, though I should.

Just checked Ebay and I found a CISS with smart chips and ink for $70 shipped.
I also found a DIY CISS, no chips, no ink, and it's $27 and $18 shipping, $45. I think for the $25 difference might as well buy the one with ink and chips!

It don't look that hard to make a CISS really but I don't have any idea where to buy the tubing, in the boonies around here I dought I'd find a store selling it LOL
Any place around ST. Louis you can get it?

By the way, you know I'm down around West Plains Mo, myself.
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Yes, they are common tanks to quite a few printers. If not, there are many different kits.

I consider printers semi-disposable since they are pretty cheap relatively. It's the ink that is the investment (thus this thread).

Aviod the kits from China. Their ink clogs up heads eventually. That's why I recommend the higher end kits. Try to find a seller that says that they use real German ink (some even lie about that). I guess that you should just try to find a reputable seller. That's why I recommended the RIHAC kits, because their stuff is used by pros & really what's a $50 more. Or you can take the chance & buy another printer for near the same price.

It doesn't look hard, but mistakes are messy. It really is harder than it looks to get the ink to go into the cartridges without overflowing or starving the system. That and of course as you noticed the oddball tubing. I've never seen the like.

Wow, another Missourian! I'm so sorry. It's not your fault.
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normalicy wrote:Yes, they are common tanks to quite a few printers. If not, there are many different kits.

I consider printers semi-disposable since they are pretty cheap relatively. It's the ink that is the investment (thus this thread).

Aviod the kits from China. Their ink clogs up heads eventually. That's why I recommend the higher end kits. Try to find a seller that says that they use real German ink (some even lie about that). I guess that you should just try to find a reputable seller. That's why I recommended the RIHAC kits, because their stuff is used by pros & really what's a $50 more. Or you can take the chance & buy another printer for near the same price.

It doesn't look hard, but mistakes are messy. It really is harder than it looks to get the ink to go into the cartridges without overflowing or starving the system. That and of course as you noticed the oddball tubing. I've never seen the like.

Wow, another Missourian! I'm so sorry. It's not your fault.

I had a good supplier for ink and never had problems in years of use. I'll have to look it up to see who it was though since I buy in bulk and it's been early last year since I bought any.
I have always refilled for the last 10 years I guess or maybe more. Never had a CISS though so that would be nice to have now.

WOW, I got a great deal on my Refurb. I wonder if they do this with them all or mine was a mistake?
I got the new sealed Canon ink tanks and a new sealed head of course. Didn't think anything about that, but then I opened the pinter to install it and WOW a new Head and all full new tanks already installed ::
Just the extra Carts and extra head costs about as much as the printer.
Maybe I'll Ebay them to get the money for a second printer LOL
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Yeah, that's a great deal. The head's worth more than most printers these days.
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Finally had a chance to get the pics up. Here you go. This is before I got the ink flowing all the way into the cartridges. I later found out that I was supposed to prime the cartridges (not in the instructions) like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1mkab3shts

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Thanks,
I'm still in the thread been been offline again with a downed system!

Looking at the pics now.

Well I ran 1 set almost empty. The levels showed LOW in the little status display but was not giving out warnings yet.
I was letting the Daughter print pages of photos to give out at school this week, last couple days before she Graduates high school so she did lots of printing pictures.

Interesting, I never refilled the tanks before until they ran empty when I buy a printer.
This time I refilled before the printer sai they were empty. The M Y tanks were basically out of ink just what was hled in the packing side, the C tank has a little link in the bulk side.
Those were detected low enough the led flashes now that refilled but I did not get any warning yet about them so I did not have to click to use refilled carts through the settings. The indicator will always show a small line of ink now though the tanks are full.

The large black tank was about half full still so it was not flashing yet, I refilled and it's not flashing that tank. Still shows to be a half tank though.

I just saw a Chip Reseter for Canon tanks, they had those out for years for Epsons.
I think it was about $25 for the Canon reseter. I may buy one of those since I have extra tanks for the IP4200 also. Both printers use the same tanks I think.

Since I have several printers now (2 Ip4200 and this MP830) using same tanks maybe getting a chip reseter is a good option for me. Refilling is not that bad and I have to do it anyway unless I buy several CISS units. I have extra tanks now so I can just keep spares refilled for a fast swap when needed.

The thing I did not like about refilling these chipped Canon printers is you have to set the printer memory to use a refilled tank and turn off the ink monitor. With the ink monitor off you could run out of ink anytime not expecting it if you forget to look manually at the tanks. With a chip reseter should not have to do that now, and with ink monitor on I should be able to still get a warning when low or about to run out.

I might still buy a CISS for the MP830 though since I plan to do tons of printing with later, but for now I may get the reseter for these tanks I have already reading empty and low.
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Never let the cartridges run completely out. The ink will dry in the head & clog it up.

I specifically got the CISS kit because I was tired of refilling. The idea of not having to mess with it for possibly years makes it all worth while to me. The ink monitoring doesn't bug me at all. Also, the cost of the kit isn't too much more than getting a couple refills. Also, once the kit is set up & if a refill is necessary, it's real easy to fill the tanks instead of cartridges.
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