Just a minor gripe about ram listings,
If Ram is listed as 1gig but actaully 2 512mb sticks, does that mean if I sell 2 302 Ford engines together I should list them as 16cylinder?
If 2 512MB Ram is sold in a matched set and listed as 1 GIG, should I list a set of 4 tires as 60"?? 4X15"?
Each engine needs it's own car, each tire needs it's own wheel, and of course each Ram Stick needs it's own slot!
Anyone else think of it that way?
I mean if you only have one slot empty, is it really 1 gig or is it 512mb with a spare stick you can't use.
I just thought of this AGAIN today when I looked to see what 1 gig ram sticks are costing. I have 3 slots, 2 already have 512MB I think, so 2 more sticks do no good, I want to use 1 stick of 1 gig. Later if I want 3 gigs of ram, have 3 slots, what good is 6 512MB sticks gonna do?
Kinda like the tires, 60" won't fit a mudhog 4X4 if it's really 4X15" set, and if you only have two bare wheels why do you need 4 tires???
Just random thoughts.
1 Gig Ram, Or 16Cyl 302?
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It is listed as 1gig because that is exactly what it is. The fact that it is 2 sticks does not negate its capacity. As long as someone isn't advertising something as 1gig but presenting no information that it is 2 sticks, I have no issues with such.
Newegg is better about it, they let you search by single 1gig or 512mb X 2. Noticeably, the prices for singles sticks are cheaper than the double is.
Newegg is better about it, they let you search by single 1gig or 512mb X 2. Noticeably, the prices for singles sticks are cheaper than the double is.
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Well I was mostly joking, like the comparision stuff for fun.
Well it's not really, and yes it does.
We can not order 3 x 1gig (2X512MB sticks) for a total of 3 gigs and then put the 6 sticks into 3 slots for a 3 gig system. So the number of sticks does negate it's capacity! So 3 x 1gig (2X512MB sticks) would be 2X1.5gig systems of 3 slots each. Ok, it's 3 gigs you bought but each system is only 1.5gigs.
If you have 4 slots then you could have 2gigs, but capacity has still been negated because you cannot have 4gigs ram by buying 4 sets,8 sticks! So it's not 1gig ram, it's 512MB ram times how ever many sticks you use of it. A 10 pack would be 5 gigs I geuss, but lets see you use it for a 5gig system
The fact that it is sold in sets is kinda besides the point. 1gig could also be 4X256 or 8X128
A 2gig stick would be 2gig, 4x512MB would not be 2gig if you only had 3 slots.
Yes, if you can use 2 sticks then I geuss 2X512MB is 1 gig total. Or 4x512MB is 2gigs etc.., but if you only have 3 slots what would it be? And if you want 2gig in a new system and only have 3 slots can you stack them up????
My gripe is not that they are trying to cheat anything, but if I do a search for 1gig ram and get 50-100 lisitings for 1 gig and 90% are 2X512MB, being only one empty slot availble that is not 1gig ram any more than 4 256MB sticks would be 1gig. Should they list 8X128MB as 1 gig? It would be!
I hate those ebay dealers that do that also, 1gig DDR lisiting, and it's a pack of 8 128's
True it adds up to a total no matter what it is, 1 512MB and 2X256MB would still be 1gig using 3 slots.
And they do clearly say 2X512MB AFTER the slow dailup gets the page loaded or you wade through other garbage to get to the listing. So why not just list it that way to begin with? If people want 2X512MB then is not an equal waste of time for the 1gig sticks to pop up?
It may be matching and dual channel and all that, but still only 2 sticks of 512MB, I could buy 1 512MB stick at Newegg, 1 512MB stick elsewhere, I still have 1 gig ram right.
OR, I could build 2 systems and buy the 2X512MB and each system only has 512MB using 1 stick each.
In any case it's still not buying a 1gig stick for in one available slot.
If I put a 512MB stick in the shopping cart then enter 2 as quantity, is that not still 2X512MB sticks totaling 1gig. Maybe not fancy dual channel or matching, but still 1 gig right.
Kinda my point, no matter how you look at it, a 512MB stick is a 512MB stick no matter how many you have of them. Maybe 4 gigs ram in the house here, but I cannot run any one system on that 4 gigs total, too many sticks! So do I really have 4gigs? Yes I have it, but no I don't either, since I can't use it on that many sticks in one system that I want 4 gigs on. Having 4 slots on that system and wanting 4 gigs ram then anything less than 1gig per stick is not 1gig no mater how many sticks there are of it.
Just for fun,
Since the car stuff did not hold water, how about soda pop?
2X12 IS NOT the same as 1X24 even if they do both equal 24!
Say the stores list "Buy one, get one Free" $3 12packs of Dr. Pepper, Pepsi, Coke, etc...
You see the listing, figure you'll grab a 12 pack of Pepsi for you and a 12pack of Coke for the wife, $3 for 2 12packs right. That's the listing.
But you get to the store and find it's not 12packs "Buy one get one Free" as listed, it's 12pack price for a 24pack case. Ok, your paying for 12 and getting 12 free still, not the same thing though.
Sure either way 24cans for $3, but it's not the same as 2 12packs is it, your stuck with all one flavor in one case. You hate Coke, she hates Pepsi, so you just wasted the time going to the store to get nothing. 1X24 IS NOT the same as 2X12 even if they do both equal 24!
Or if they advertise it as $0.20 a can and 10 different flavors are listed, you get there and it's $4.80 a case for all one flavor! Not the same thing!
With everything being more of a resource hog all the time, if they come out with 5gig ram sticks in the future, should they do 5gig listings, (10X512MB) ???
Of course it would be 5gigs, but how many people would have 10 slots? And what if you want 10gigs total would you have 20 slots?
Well this was just all for fun while doing other stuff and waiting around, hope some people see my points though even though it doesn't realy matter for anything.
Maybe they should list 2000MHz CPUs, (2X1000MHz), maybe they could sell more of the old stock that way
Not that many people could use 2 Cpu's, but 2X1000MHz each would be 2000MHz I guess.
It is listed as 1gig because that is exactly what it is. The fact that it is 2 sticks does not negate its capacity.
Well it's not really, and yes it does.
We can not order 3 x 1gig (2X512MB sticks) for a total of 3 gigs and then put the 6 sticks into 3 slots for a 3 gig system. So the number of sticks does negate it's capacity! So 3 x 1gig (2X512MB sticks) would be 2X1.5gig systems of 3 slots each. Ok, it's 3 gigs you bought but each system is only 1.5gigs.
If you have 4 slots then you could have 2gigs, but capacity has still been negated because you cannot have 4gigs ram by buying 4 sets,8 sticks! So it's not 1gig ram, it's 512MB ram times how ever many sticks you use of it. A 10 pack would be 5 gigs I geuss, but lets see you use it for a 5gig system
The fact that it is sold in sets is kinda besides the point. 1gig could also be 4X256 or 8X128
A 2gig stick would be 2gig, 4x512MB would not be 2gig if you only had 3 slots.
Yes, if you can use 2 sticks then I geuss 2X512MB is 1 gig total. Or 4x512MB is 2gigs etc.., but if you only have 3 slots what would it be? And if you want 2gig in a new system and only have 3 slots can you stack them up????
My gripe is not that they are trying to cheat anything, but if I do a search for 1gig ram and get 50-100 lisitings for 1 gig and 90% are 2X512MB, being only one empty slot availble that is not 1gig ram any more than 4 256MB sticks would be 1gig. Should they list 8X128MB as 1 gig? It would be!
I hate those ebay dealers that do that also, 1gig DDR lisiting, and it's a pack of 8 128's
True it adds up to a total no matter what it is, 1 512MB and 2X256MB would still be 1gig using 3 slots.
And they do clearly say 2X512MB AFTER the slow dailup gets the page loaded or you wade through other garbage to get to the listing. So why not just list it that way to begin with? If people want 2X512MB then is not an equal waste of time for the 1gig sticks to pop up?
It may be matching and dual channel and all that, but still only 2 sticks of 512MB, I could buy 1 512MB stick at Newegg, 1 512MB stick elsewhere, I still have 1 gig ram right.
OR, I could build 2 systems and buy the 2X512MB and each system only has 512MB using 1 stick each.
In any case it's still not buying a 1gig stick for in one available slot.
If I put a 512MB stick in the shopping cart then enter 2 as quantity, is that not still 2X512MB sticks totaling 1gig. Maybe not fancy dual channel or matching, but still 1 gig right.
Kinda my point, no matter how you look at it, a 512MB stick is a 512MB stick no matter how many you have of them. Maybe 4 gigs ram in the house here, but I cannot run any one system on that 4 gigs total, too many sticks! So do I really have 4gigs? Yes I have it, but no I don't either, since I can't use it on that many sticks in one system that I want 4 gigs on. Having 4 slots on that system and wanting 4 gigs ram then anything less than 1gig per stick is not 1gig no mater how many sticks there are of it.
Just for fun,
Since the car stuff did not hold water, how about soda pop?
2X12 IS NOT the same as 1X24 even if they do both equal 24!
Say the stores list "Buy one, get one Free" $3 12packs of Dr. Pepper, Pepsi, Coke, etc...
You see the listing, figure you'll grab a 12 pack of Pepsi for you and a 12pack of Coke for the wife, $3 for 2 12packs right. That's the listing.
But you get to the store and find it's not 12packs "Buy one get one Free" as listed, it's 12pack price for a 24pack case. Ok, your paying for 12 and getting 12 free still, not the same thing though.
Sure either way 24cans for $3, but it's not the same as 2 12packs is it, your stuck with all one flavor in one case. You hate Coke, she hates Pepsi, so you just wasted the time going to the store to get nothing. 1X24 IS NOT the same as 2X12 even if they do both equal 24!
Or if they advertise it as $0.20 a can and 10 different flavors are listed, you get there and it's $4.80 a case for all one flavor! Not the same thing!
With everything being more of a resource hog all the time, if they come out with 5gig ram sticks in the future, should they do 5gig listings, (10X512MB) ???
Of course it would be 5gigs, but how many people would have 10 slots? And what if you want 10gigs total would you have 20 slots?
Well this was just all for fun while doing other stuff and waiting around, hope some people see my points though even though it doesn't realy matter for anything.
Maybe they should list 2000MHz CPUs, (2X1000MHz), maybe they could sell more of the old stock that way
Not that many people could use 2 Cpu's, but 2X1000MHz each would be 2000MHz I guess.
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You are talking about false advertising, anyone will agree if you advertise as one thing and it is another, it is false advertising.
As long as it is advertised properly, the only ones who have an issue are the ones who don't read it.
The listing is not mentioned as a 1GB stick, it is listed as a 1GB package (512mb X 2) Anyone listing it as something it is not, should be smacked. Newegg clearly lists it as such.
I think you are looking for a rant, where there isn't one.
Your soda analogy isn't too good either, a better analogy might be wet cat food.
You can buy these in single cans. Some sell these in different sizes, say 3oz and 6oz. When you buy two 3oz cans, you inevitably get the same amount as a 6oz can, but since they are seperate, you can have more of a variety. and since there will be more can, it can be argued that two 3oz cans will take up more space than a 6oz can even though they have the same amount of food in them.
Also, if you have ever seen them, when stacked, you will use up more cupboard space as well, due to how the can design is.
If you choose, you can get 6oz cans instead, it is a choice, neither one is advertised differently, its only the logic of the consumer that comes into play.
As long as it is advertised properly, the only ones who have an issue are the ones who don't read it.
The listing is not mentioned as a 1GB stick, it is listed as a 1GB package (512mb X 2) Anyone listing it as something it is not, should be smacked. Newegg clearly lists it as such.
I think you are looking for a rant, where there isn't one.
Your soda analogy isn't too good either, a better analogy might be wet cat food.
You can buy these in single cans. Some sell these in different sizes, say 3oz and 6oz. When you buy two 3oz cans, you inevitably get the same amount as a 6oz can, but since they are seperate, you can have more of a variety. and since there will be more can, it can be argued that two 3oz cans will take up more space than a 6oz can even though they have the same amount of food in them.
Also, if you have ever seen them, when stacked, you will use up more cupboard space as well, due to how the can design is.
If you choose, you can get 6oz cans instead, it is a choice, neither one is advertised differently, its only the logic of the consumer that comes into play.
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