Page 1 of 1

Please God Please help me....

Posted: Fri May 10, 2002 11:53 pm
by Apoogod
I dont know what to do, all my games keep crashing. KINGPIN, MOHAA, CS, Quake2. The games start fine and i get a few mins of play but then when the game play gets going fast, the game starts the stutter and then I get kicked out to the desktop. I have no clue whats going on. Once in a bluemoon does the computer just restart. Mainly I get kicked to desktop. Iv tried 3 diff Geforce cards all with the same prob. Iv updated every driver in the book that I know of, sound, graphics,bios,ect... I use gamespy lite (for kingpin), gamespy 3d, allseeingeye. Does ne1 have ne clue as to whats going on. I have AMD1800XP,Asus A7V266 (iv tried all bios update), 768DDR,2 45gig hd, XPpro, Geforce2 TI (driver 28.32),Antech 400watt, Sound Blaster Live

Some people have suggested that the prob maybe either the ram ( i dont know how to test the ram) or the mobo. Iv done everything from 2 diff power supplies, reformated 5+ times on 2+ hard drives to ever driver I can get my hands on. Any help would be great.

Posted: Sat May 11, 2002 12:29 am
by dadx2mj
What kind of temps is your CPU running at under a load?

Posted: Sat May 11, 2002 12:32 am
by Apoogod
Temps are fine 33 mobo 44cpu noload....load 50cpu load

Posted: Sat May 11, 2002 1:09 am
by Hipnotic_Tranz
Might want to try to take out all items that aren't needed to boot and only leave in those that are (motherboard, cpu, ram, and vid-card) Boot 'er up and play a game to see if it goes away. If it does, it's possibly an IRQ conflict. If not then try this. Take all but one stick of ram out and turn it on and try it. Still locks? Take that one stick out and try the next. Repeat until you've tried all. Just try to narrow it down to see what might be causing it (hardware or software?)

Can't really think of anything else right now, but that should keep you busy :)

Posted: Sat May 11, 2002 1:17 am
by JMan
Definitely try moving the SB Live or removing it completely, as HT said.
http://hcidesign.com/memtest/

JMan

Posted: Sat May 11, 2002 6:16 am
by FlyingPenguin
SBLive is KNOWN to have issues. Pull it and see if the problem persists (most games will run fine without a sound card). If the problem goes away, move the SBLive to another slot.

I doubt it's the SBLive, though, as the problem would cause either a lockup or a reboot - rarely does it dump you to the desktop.

Desktop dump sounds like a video issue.


Some general suggestions:

- I recommend the reference drivers over the manufacturer's. Do NOT use beta or leaked drivers - use only the latest official reference drivers. Get them here: http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=drivers

- Remove any utilities for your old video card (Voodoo cards for instance install 3Dfx tools which MUST be removed via the Add/Remove icon in Control Panel). Also, you should ALWAYS change the video driver to "Standard VGA" first before swapping cards to purge the old driver. If you didn't do that before, do it now. Change it to "Standard VGA", reboot and it'll redetect the geforce and ask you for drivers.

- If you're overclocking (either the vid card or the cpu), don't and see if that helps.

- In the motherboard's BIOS menu, make sure that "Assign IRQ to VGA" is enabled and that both "Video BIOS Caching" and "Video Ram Shadow" are disabled. Set "AGP Aperature" to 64.

- The Geforce does NOT like to share an IRQ with other devices - make sure it's the only card using it's IRQ. If you can't change the IRQ for the conflicting card in Device Manager, then you must move the card to another slot. NOTE: If you have WinXP or Win2K, ALL your devices will be sharing a single IRQ. This is okay.

- Go to the motherboard manufacturer's web site and see if there's an updated Flash BIOS for your mobo. It could be your AGP bus support isn't up to spec.

- You may not have the proper or the latest drivers for you motherboard's APG to PCI Bridge. The Geforce is a true AGP card (unlike 3Dfx cards) and is very fussy about having the AGP bus setup properly. This is a MAJOR gotcha. Windows will install the wrong mobo drivers until you update them. There should be drivers that came with your motherboard on a CD, but you should download the latest version from the motherboard manufacurer's web site. If you have a VIA board then you need the lates 4-in-1 drivers.

- It's possible that some other device is causing the problem. Best way to isolate it is to pull ALL your cards except the vid card (IMPORTANT: note what slot each card was installed in). Play the misbehaving game and see if it runs stable (yes, the game should run just fine without a sound card installed). If it behaves, install each card ONE BY ONE starting with the sound card until you isolate the bad boy. It's important to put the cards back in their original slots to avoid PCI IRQ Sharing problems (see next paragraph).

- You may have a card that has a PCI IRQ channel sharing problem (NOT the same as an IRQ conflict). The SBLive, NICs and SCSI controllers are very prone to this. Fix is essentially the same as mentioned in the previous paragraph except when you find the misbehaving card, you need to move it to another slot. More details on this problem here: http://soldcentralfl.com/quakecoop/glfaq5.htm#5_9

- You may have background app running causing problems. I like to run a very clean system when play - I want NOTHING running in the background. Don't run anything in the background: Virus Scanners, disk utils, reminder programs, taskbar shortcuts for Real Player, AOL Instant Messenger, etc). If you have Win98 run MSCONFIG.EXE click on the Startup tab. Uncheck anything you don't need running - Windows ONLY requires System Tray, Task Monitor and Power Profile to run properly (and you can lose Power Profile if your computer doesn't use sleep mode). Uncheck everything else unless it's required by something.

- You should also check out the Geforce FAQ at http://geforcefaq.com

Hope this helps...

Posted: Sat May 11, 2002 6:14 pm
by Apoogod
Thanks for all your help...I think I might have figured it out but not 100% sure. I tried the memtest the jman pointed out. Well I ran it over night with both ram pieces in. Well I got errors 5 of them so far. From what I could gather at the web site, this means my ram (1 or both) are bad. Now im going to take and test each one. If I find one that is bad ill take it out and try to play again. If that still dont work then im going to try what FlyingPenguin suggested. Thanks for your help. If this information dont work then im taking a sledge hammer to it.

Posted: Sat May 11, 2002 7:48 pm
by Jellyfish
I had that restart prob you were talkin about some time ago. After much testing and pissing around it turned out to be a faulty modem, it was a more top of the range model but cant remember what it was....but I went out and bought a cheep and nasty Dyna Link and the thing has never missed a beat since. Go figure

Posted: Sun May 12, 2002 11:55 am
by JMan
For the restart problem, here is a potential fix to at least make the computer crash instead of restarting:
Control Panel-System-Advanced Tab-Startup And Recovery-Uncheck Automatically Restart

JMan

Posted: Sun May 12, 2002 5:18 pm
by FlyingPenguin
Even better free memory tester here: http://www.simmtester.com/PAGE/products/doc/docinfo.asp

Been using this one a long time. It runs from DOS so unlike the one mentioned above it can test ALL your memory. It also does long burn-ins (some memory problems won't show up in just a quick test).

Posted: Sat May 18, 2002 7:18 am
by Zak33
Power Supply.......sounds like the AGP aint getting enough juice.

Taking out the other hardware will free up a bit of voltage. If you have this problem again try to borrow a nicer PSU

Laterz

Matt