P4 1.5 overclocked to 1728 MHz

LikeLinus · Post by **LikeLinus** » Thu Dec 14, 2000 7:05 pm

Could be...who really knows for sure. It's a moot point really. It's just amazing that in under a year we went from 700 mhzs to 1.7gigs.

Kakarot · Post by **Kakarot** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 2:55 pm

The thing I don't get is this. Intel moved the P4 to a 20 stage pipeline instead of the 10 stage of the P3(more stages means degraded performace)... and they did this because even tho the longer the pipeline, the less performance... its easier to ramp up the clock speeds. Why can't they get their P3 any faster than 1 gig? AMD doesn't seem to have any problems getting their thunderbirds to 1.2gig plus. And as far as I know the thunderbird runs on a 10 stage pipeline just like the P3. Seems to me AMD has better technology there. Am I wrong in my assesment?

All I did was ask a simple question about the differences between Intel's and AMD's technologies. I wasn't bashing Intel, nor was I picking a fight. You replied to my question laying into AMD like nothing else bashing the hell out of them.

AMD chips also run hotter, higher voltage, have to have special ram and higher wattage powersupplies.

Let me guess, you voted for Al Gore right? Check out this article <a href="http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/ ... ">here.</a> Incase you decide you don't want to read, here is the important parts:

The most notable feature you'll notice on 850 motherboards and ATX 2.03 cases is four new screw holes near the new Socket 423 interface. These holes are used to help support the Pentium 4 heatsink. Since ATX cases don't have these holes, you'll either have to drill them yourself (which is a bit risky for most users) or upgrade to a new case that includes them.

ATX 2.03 also calls for a new power supply specification, ATX12V. ATX12V power supplies add one new 4-pin 12V power connector for powering the CPU.

So lets compare this to you original statement I quoted above. If you want to get a new P4 you have to buy the chip, motherboard, a new CPU fan, a new CASE, New POWER SUPPLY, oh... and lets not forget the RDRAM(compared to your "special" oh so hard to find and expensive sdram you need for the athlon). And you say it runs hotter. True. at 1.1ghz the athlon is 55w... but you look at the p4 1.5ghz(granted its a higher frequency) its at 55w also... like I said its a higher frequency but when you're talking about barely any performance differences overall and having to dissapate the same amount of heat I think thats a fair comparison.

Lets just get one thing straight here... I asked a simple question about something and YOU turned it into the argument that resulted. NOT ME. Go seek some help would you please?

CaterpillarAssassin · Post by **CaterpillarAssassin** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:34 pm

I thought the athlon was a 7th gen CPU?

nexus_7 · Post by **nexus_7** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:35 pm

it is. 7'th generation from amd.

Greg

LikeLinus · Post by **LikeLinus** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:53 pm

Kakarot you're apparently a total ****ing idiot. It is beyond me how stupid you can be.

"Why can't they get their P3 any faster than 1 gig? AMD doesn't seem to have any problems getting their thunderbirds to 1.2gig plus. And as far as I know the thunderbird runs on a 10 stage pipeline just like the P3. Seems to me AMD has better technology there"

This is a direct quote from your post. Now ALL i said was "Its cool we are this close to 1728mhz" and THEN said dont flame intel. Yet you come in here saying "intel cant do this, amd can, its better" You are a complete idiot, i'm just going to leave it at that. How did P!!! get thrown into this? How did AMD? Someone with enough stupidity who cant read DIDNT NOTICE THE SIGN THAT SAID DONT FLAME INTEL, YOU MORON. You're lame as usual. Anyone can tell you are trying to start a fight by bringing in AMD and saying "intel cant do it, but amd can". How pathetic, you do this on a regular basis.

As for seeking help, you follow Greg around like a lost ****ing puppy and you're acting like a jealous gay lover. Enough said. Funny how everytime him and i get into a coversation you pop up and start a fight. Go figure. Therapy, you apparently need it the most.

Please dont bother replying with some lame ass excuses. Just back up, sit down, and shut the **** up.

[Edited by LikeLinus on 12-15-2000 at 04:58 PM]

nexus_7 · Post by **nexus_7** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:59 pm

dude U are a prick. I mean if it is that time of Month just dont visit the boards dude cause U come off as a real jagoff. How hard is it 2 have a civil conversation or discusion?

Greg

LikeLinus · Post by **LikeLinus** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 5:03 pm

Greg, he's done this shit before, and i'm not going to put up with his shit. If you can see that he was just trying to start an Intel vs. AMD war, then you're just blind. Why could he have not just left it unanswered? If he feels that AMD is better, then why does he have to ask me? Or post in my post? You think i give two shits what he cares of feels about either company? I think they are both great, i just thought it's cool we are this close to two gigs. But yet again he has to start this whole AMD intel thing, its pathetic and i'm tired of his childish crap. He post in my post stupid questions like that just to pick a fight, its lame/sad.

nexus_7 · Post by **nexus_7** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 5:17 pm

Looked like 2 me he was just pointing somethign out not starting some battle. and it does seem at this time amd has the better technology. Oh yea and rambus might have higher bandwith but it is some slow stuff. then U come in defending intel up and down and kakerot brings up other points. it is called a discusion not a war. Sure he could have started a Whole other thred saying I think AMD has better technology but then the same thing would have hapened a huge war over a pointless thing. I personally like amd for 2 reasons they are the only real compition intel has and has once smacked them upside the head and they presently care about the customers(not saying that might not change). For proformance and price no one in there right mind would want a p4 it is just redicilus. Its kool they have a High clocked chip and wasnt a paper launch for a change. Also about the heat U were talking about. AMD has a 1.4 tbird running with just passive cooling.

Eithor way I dont think talking like that was called 4. Im sure U feel kakerot was personally attacking U like what red and I do but it is a differance of opinion and we all do it to other people not a select person.

well maby red dawn hehe

Greg

LikeLinus · Post by **LikeLinus** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 5:21 pm

As i said

"If Intel can just wait it out till 2002 when their RDRAM deal falls off...i think they will be back on track and release some great chips. But for the time being, they are way overpriced (even if they do include 128mb of ram). AMD seems the way to go in most cases."

AMD is the way to go right now. Neither company is better than the other, they just do it differently. Me personally, i'm waiting for DDR and dual AMD's. But that doesnt mean i dont like intel, all i run right now is intel! Same with you, you run intel, but you think AMD is better!. But this post wasn't about that.

This is the third time he's come into a post and gotten onto Intel, so the repetition appears to be that he's picking fights, regardless if he is or not. I don't know if he really "was", but it sure seems like it.

Kakarot Sorry if i jumped down your throat, but you appeared to be trying to start a fight. But if i was wrong, accept my appology.

[Edited by LikeLinus on 12-15-2000 at 06:17 PM]

blade · Post by **blade** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 6:27 pm

Regardles if someone is trying to pick a fight, it is the one who first resorts to childish insults and cursing. That is NO reason to talk like that and that will NOT be tolerated here again.

peace please

nexus_7 · Post by **nexus_7** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 7:12 pm

FU blade and Bleep ta de Bleep ya J**! Ant no one telling us what the F*** to do bla da de bleep bleep!

Greg