OKAY The Old Fart is upgrading to AMD - need recommendations for mobo.

[grumpy 1]

Why dont you wait a wlittle while for nfforce 2 and takee a gander at that

There first chipset was very impressive so maybe the second one will rock the house


and no via or ali issues

[FlyingPenguin]

Doubt I could wait that long now that I've made up my mind, and frankly I'm VERY leary of new chipsets. I like something tried and true (heck, I haven't built a system using anything but the Intel BX chipset for the past 3 years because it's a ROCK). Performance is less of an issue than stability.

Really leaning towards the IWill board - I LIKE a lot of the little things about this board. A lot of for-sight in the design, like orienting the CPU socket so the caps aren't up against the HSF retaining clips (VERY NICE) and the fact that they leave a lot of room around the CPU for some of the roomier HSF units (I'm leaning towards the Dr Thermal TI-V77L - lot's of good reviews on several sites including PCA).

[Jim Z]

(I'm leaning towards the Dr Thermal TI-V77L - lot's of good reviews on several sites including PCA).

I've had two of them. they are damn noisy.

you say that amd 761 is outperformed but by how much 5 % would you even notice that

depends what you do. and remember that with AMD 761 you are stuck with a Via 686B southbridge.

I still say the nForce is worth a look as long as it's not the MSI board.

[FlyingPenguin]

I've had two of them. they are damn noisy.

Hmm... reviews don't say it's stealthy, but they've said that it's less noisy than the retail fan. I rather liked the attachment method.

I'd like to hear some more recommendations on a QUIET heatsink-fan for an Athlon XP. I'm also concerned that some HSFes are prone to chip the CPU. Neither do I want to spend a small fortune on an HSF. I don't care what it looks like as long as it's fairly quiet and keeps to chip cool.

I'm a bit limited on room - my hard drive bay sits over the CPU in this case, so I don't have the for something as tall as the Globalwin TAK68 Blade mentioned earlier in this thread. Right now my old Slot1 P3 CPU BARELY fits under it - that's about 60mm.

If I go with the IWill mobo, as I'm leaning, I'll have a lot more room around the CPU socket than most socket A mobos. The caps aren't right up close. Here's a pic:

[blade]

I've had two of them. they are damn noisy.

Did you have the "N" versions, the ones with a larger fan?

I've had 2 dr thermal Ti-V77L and they were both very quiet. I also have had the "N" version fans and those are noisier, but not delta noisy at all. No high pitched sound.

For the money and when one wants peace and quiet, it is the best out there imo. Another silent but deadly heatsink is the Zalman 3100+ . I'm doing a review on that one and the 6000cu and both are very quiet. The 3100+ is cheaper and performs about as welll as the higher priced 6000cu. Fans are 2 speed, on high you can hear it some. Close the case you can't hear it at all.

Both are heavy. In fact when I received the box from zalman it felt like a brick was inside.

The AX7 is another choice, it's usually $24 but with no fan. Even with a cheapy case fan it still cools very well.

[FlyingPenguin]

Well I really like the Ti-V77L - it's low profile and I've DEFINATELY got a problem there. It's also inexpensive at $18.

I doubt the Zalman's would fit - it'd be a very close call.

Most reviews I've read are in line with what you said, Blade. It's apparently very solid and doesn't vibrate, and there's no high frequency noise.

Anyone else want to weight in with a low-profile quiet fan recommendation. To be safe I'd like to be no taller than 50mm.

[Jim Z]

Did you have the "N" versions, the ones with a larger fan?

No. The ones I have use the 70x70x15mm YS Tech 3.12 watt fan. These are not quiet by any stretch of the imagination and are much louder than the retail fan. I could only stand them for about one hour before I pulled them and used some quiet Coolermasters.

[blade]

Jim, I don't doubt you but what I am wondering is if there were different fans included with that heatsink. I received one from highspeedpc and another from crazypc and both were very quiet. Not remotely as loud as any delta fan.

[PreDatoR]

The Dr. Thermal EXTREME i did a review on included the 70x70x15 YS Tech fan... You want noise run a Delta. Ya you cna hear it some slap on the side and you cna't hear it at all. I did the review with both fans. That 80x80x38 68cfm delta is quieter than its 60x60x25 40cfm brother. For the price FP you can't beat the Dr Thermal 77L. And if its too loud wire it for 7v's but i seriously doubt that once the case is buttoned up you won't notice it much at all.

[dadx2mj]

Blade if you are talking about the Alpha 8045 I have seen and used them with all kinds of different fans. Usually they come without a fan and you pick what you want. I ordered mine with what they called a whisper fan. If I remember right it was like 28cfm and it was very quite but on hot days it would get a little warm. I have used everything from a 30cfm to a 69crm fan on the Alpha. I am now settled on the big Delta 80x80x38mm fan for it. It moves 69crm and although I would not recommend it for someone who wants quiet it really is not very loud to me. No where near what the Delta 60mm screamers were like at all.

[FlyingPenguin]

Hmmm..... Asus. Don't get me wrong, they make VERY nice hardware, but I swore I'd never buy another Asus product after the foisted the "See-Through Technology" Geforce drivers on us.


Too tall, Jimz. That Alpha is 45mm tall all by itself without the fan.

Here's a photo of the inside (notice how the P3 CPU barely fits under the HDD caddy). And no, I'm not changing cases. I LOVE this case - spent ages finding a quality full tower case that's SOLID, doesn't warp when you insert cards, doesn't vibrate or "sing" from fan and drive vibration, has a TON of ventilation, is very quiet, and has 5 external drive bays.

Yeah, I could relocate the HDD caddy under the front 5 1/4 bays with a little creative metal work, but I'd rather not. One of the reasons this case is so quiet is because the drives are towards the rear.

Besides, I shouldn't need a monster cooler - I'm NOT overclocking.

Please pardon the wiring mess - I don't care what the inside looks like inside as long as it works and ventilates properly (and the angle is deceptive, the ribbons are not blocking the airflow from the front intake fans and the case is VERY wide):

[blade]

Gawd what a mess!!

Can't tell but how far does a mobo fit under those bays? But now I do see why you need low profile heatsink. The dr thermal and the cak II 68 are the 2 lowest profile heatsinks I know of. The dr is far better of the two.


dad, that was JimZ who posted about the alpha I've never had one.


btw dad, I did try that 80mm fan that comes with the dr thermal extreme. I agree it isn't nearly as bad as the deltas and it is far more tolerable. That puppy sure does cool well!

[Jim Z]

Ya you cna hear it some slap on the side and you cna't hear it at all.

mine were intolerable. BUT! there are different fans available, and apparently I have the 5000 rpm ones.

Hmmm..... Asus. Don't get me wrong, they make VERY nice hardware, but I swore I'd never buy another Asus product after the foisted the "See-Through Technology" Geforce drivers on us.

well then I'm wasting my breath here (figuratively speaking).

[PreDatoR]

What kind of a case is that? Never seen one with the HDD rack in the rear. And that does look like a wide case! For what you need FP Dr thermal 77L is highly recommended.

[FlyingPenguin]

That's a standard size ATX under there (an Asus P3B-F I believe) and the mobo's top edge is 1/4" from the sheet metal wall that the HDD caddy is mounted on. Considering the layout of the IWill, the CPU will be right under the HDD caddy.

Might look crowded, but that's really a VERY roomy case (that photo is deceptive). It was designed during the Slot1 era, though (it's 3 years old) There's TONS of room under the front bays, but I truly believe that's why this case has such excellent ventillation. And having the HDD's mounted back there really cuts down on the noise and vibration.

I frankly don't know who makes it. I bought 3 of them and a mid-tower version 3 years ago in Miami from a friend who got them for me at dealer cost (that was one nice thing about living in Miami - LOT'S of computer export houses by the airport).

My server is in the mid tower (also visible in the photo), I kept one full tower and used the other two for servers I built for a client. They're SOLID AS BRICKS. Tons of cooling, and unlike most cases they're properly engineered for that cooling (so many companies just mount fans everywhere and never consider that two fans can cancel out each other's air flow if improperly arranged). There's not a SINGLE sharp edge of metal anywhere in it, and it has a high quality polyester air filter like the electrostatic air conditioning filters - and the case really is designed so it sucks most of the air through the big filter. The case gets relatively little dust and hair in it during the course of a month, and it runs 24/7 (and I have 6 cats).

As you can see both computers are crammed into a corner and there SHOULD be a lot of noise reflected off the walls, but despite that they're very quiet. I replaced the 2 front intake fans with Panaflo L1A's wired in series for 6 volts. Still sucks in a LOT of air, but almost totally silent. All the noise I hear is from the two exhaust fans on the back of the PSU.