XP 2500 57c idlel !!!

IRunHoTT · Post by **IRunHoTT** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:59 pm

My shit runs hot, i have a AMD XP 2500 Barton at idle it runs at 57, i upgraded from the stock fan to a Thermaltake Silent Boost, using thermal paste , this still doesnt seem to help, the room is fairly warm but not to bad, in the cold night with the windows open i have not gotten the system below 51, Inside i have a MSI motherboard KM4M-L , with 512 of kingston value ram and 512 of corsair XMS, 80 gig maxtor, upgraded vid card to Radeon ATI 128, case is full ATX case with i think a 80mm side mount fan
PLEASE HELP, I am sick of the bios temp warning going off in the middle of the day when im not home and computer is sitting idel (computer is free of spyware and viruses)
any other fan/heatsink ideas pref something that runs cool

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:42 pm

WELCOME TO PCA!

That's not an excessively high temp. My server (AMD XP2400) runs at 52 C most of the time, and my workstation (AMD 3200) runs at 55 C.

You should not be getting BIOS temp alarms unless you have the alarm set too low. Most BIOS temp alarms are set to go off at 70 C with auto shutdown at 80C. I would reset your temp alarm for 65C.

It certainly is good to get the temps as low as possible, but you shouldn't obsess over it. I don't like to see a CPU running over 60C if it doesn't have to, but even 60C is acceptable as long as it runs stable.

Also, be aware, that onboard temp monitors are notoriously unreliable - especially if you're using a 3rd party app like Motherboard Monitor. I would recommend you use the temp monitor provided by the mobo manufacturer - it should be more accurate. That said, the CPU temp probe is still only accurate to within 3 or 4 degrees.

It sounds like you've done all you can about the heat sink so the only way you can improve the cooling would be to improve airflow through the case. Tie up ribbons out of the direct path of flow from the front intake to the back exhaust vents. Use rounded cables if you can't get them out of the way.

Maybe the exhaust fan on the PSU isn't doing a good enough job, or you may need to add an intake fan to the front.

If this is not a dual fan PSU (one exhaust fan on the back and one larger intake fan inside the case) I would recommend getting one. Modern ATX mobos are designed for dual fan PSUs. A single fan is simply inadequate, as well as an indication that it's a poor quality PSU. I highly recommend Antec True Power PSUs.

Personally, I would sweat it too much at 57 C, but it might be worth it for long term longevity if you improve the case cooling ESPECIALLY if you're overclocking the CPU or the GPU.

Hope this helps...

IRunHoTT · Post by **IRunHoTT** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:51 pm

no overclocking here, but i dont have a front intake fan, i think i need to add on, i will give it a shot, Thanks!!

dadx2mj · Post by **dadx2mj** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:56 pm

Cant believe I am about to disagree with FP but those temps seem very high to me. I have a 2400+ Mobile running at 2250MHz and with F@H keeping it at full load I am running between 35-39c depending on ambient room temps. I take my readings with a hardware probe not a software program. Personally I would try re-seating that heat sink and make sure you have a very thin (almost transparent) layer of a good thermal paste on just the core of the CPU. Also like FP suggested improving the air flow thru the case should help.

OH yeah Welcome to PCA!!!

eGoCeNTRoNiX · Post by **eGoCeNTRoNiX** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:03 pm

Originally posted by dadx2mj
Cant believe I am about to disagree with FP but those temps seem very high to me. I have a 2400+ Mobile running at 2250MHz and with F@H keeping it at full load I am running between 35-39c depending on ambient room temps. I take my readings with a hardware probe not a software program. Personally I would try re-seating that heat sink and make sure you have a very thin (almost transparent) layer of a good thermal paste on just the core of the CPU. Also like FP suggested improving the air flow thru the case should help.

OH yeah Welcome to PCA!!!

Aren't you water cooling?

If you are then that's why

hehe.. I am running a SLK-900A on my 2500+ OCd to 2.3ghz with a 92mm fan and it's running at 51*C full load right now. I probably just need to get in there and dust, usually drops 6-7* after a good dusting of the case. I haven't seen any problems running at these temps as FP suggested. GL

eGo

wvjohn · Post by **wvjohn** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:09 pm

hey welcome!

that is pretty warm but in the upper area of ok

try pulling the side off your case and sticking some kind of house fan blowing into the computer - if you get a big drop then you know that you will need to work on the cooling inside the box

dadx2mj · Post by **dadx2mj** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:14 pm

I was water cooling but not now. I am using an old Alpha 8045 with a 5200 rpm delta on a fan controller. I do have one of those Enermax Wind Tunnel cases that greatly helps the cooling though. With this case it is actually running cooler than it was when I had the water cooling installed.

IRunHoTT · Post by **IRunHoTT** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:17 pm

so when applying thermal paste just apply a thin layer? i put a goob on, but kept it off of the processor and just have it on the heatsink contact, yes im a n00b at thermal paste! anyways this tempature is not a major concern for all i hear is the bartons run hot, but everyone is cooler than mine

i will defintly have to look into better case cooling, Thanks for all the suggestions, and the warm welcome, stumbled across this at work wonderful site!!! Anyone know of any good overclocking guides for begineers, i know the first step is my cooling problem

dadx2mj · Post by **dadx2mj** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:26 pm

Yes just a very thin layer a big glob of the thermal paste will do more damage than good. It is just meant to fill in the small micro sized gaps in the mating surfaces between the heat sink and CPU core.

eGoCeNTRoNiX · Post by **eGoCeNTRoNiX** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:50 pm

Originally posted by dadx2mj
I was water cooling but not now. I am using an old Alpha 8045 with a 5200 rpm delta on a fan controller. I do have one of those Enermax Wind Tunnel cases that greatly helps the cooling though. With this case it is actually running cooler than it was when I had the water cooling installed.

Ahhh Ok

One of these days I'll break down and buy a new pump so I can start watercooling with the stuff that I have.. hehe..

eGo

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:51 pm

Thermal paste should be applied thinly. Put a drop the size of grain of rice on the core, and then spread it thinly with a credit card. Make sure it's even.

Some people just recommend putting a drop on it and letting the pressure of the heatsink squeeze it evenly, but you often get voids that way.

My temps:

LAN Rig (AMD 2400) 52C
Server: (AMD 2400) 50C
Workstation (AMD 3200) 55C

All using stock AMD retail HSF.

IRunHoTT · Post by **IRunHoTT** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:55 pm

Ahh so possibly this is my problem? any brand of thermal paste you recommend or do they all work the same?

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:10 pm

I prefer Arctic Silver 3.

If you're not overclocking then frankly any heatsink compound will do, but Arctic Silver (properly applied) will shave a few degrees off.

blade · Post by **blade** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:09 pm

Go here for very good (almost too detailed) instructions on applying thermal paste:
http://www.arcticsilver.com/instructions.htm

As has been said, you for sure need a decent fan in the front bringing in cool air. I'd do what John suggested and try running with your side panel off then see if the temp is much lower. That will tell you if you need a lot more case cooling. Dust bunnies eat cooling too.

As for overclocking, what motherboard/ram do you have. And is your barton a 333 bus one and unlocked? If so and if you are running at least pc3200 DDR ram, just increase the clock speed to 11x200. But first I'd get that temp down below 50c. More like lower 40's if you want to overclock.

I run a barton 2500 usually at 11x200 (3200+ speed) and my temp will vary from 35-44c load. The changes are due to room temp and fan speed. As Randy (dadx2mj), I also use a fan controller. SP-97 is my heatsink.

welcome to pca

Pugsley · Post by **Pugsley** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:30 pm

Yea i have a OC 2500 running 3200 and folding and it barely breaks 110 and that only if its like 90 in here. And yes its air cooled and QUIET! how it should be.