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FTC Sides with Tesla today

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 3:21 pm
by renovation
Derides State Bans on Direct-to-Consumer Auto Sales.
Tesla’s direct-to-consumers sales model has kicked off a long and ongoing debate across the U.S. While some states are opening exemptions to their decades-old laws that limit new-car sales to independent franchise dealerships, others are doubling down, writing new laws that further enforce existing bans on direct car sales—like Michigan, whose aggressive, GM-backed anti-Tesla law won that state the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation’s Luddite Award for 2014.

We’ve long held that the direct sales model Tesla uses is a benefit for consumers—one that adds competitive pressure to a market that has been artificially limited to franchise dealerships for far too long. And it turns out, none other than the Federal Trade Commission agrees with us, as evidenced by this strongly worded blog post the organization just published.

The usually-staid FTC comes out swinging in the first sentences. “A fundamental principle of competition is that consumers—not regulation—should determine what they buy and how they buy it,” the commission states. “Consumers may benefit from the ability to buy cars directly from manufacturers—whether they are shopping for luxury cars or economy vehicles. The same competition principles should apply in either case.”

Here, the FTC is referring to the many state laws that prohibit car-makers from selling directly to consumers through brand-owned showrooms. Almost universally, those state laws were put into place through the political clout and largesse of state dealership associations. It’s a classic case of protectionism, and a pretty blatant one at that.

While the conversation around state car sales laws has been largely driven by Tesla Motors’ many fights to overturn these laws, the FTC is careful to point out that it’s not just coming to bat for Elon Musk’s electric car-maker. “FTC staff supports the movement to allow for direct sales to consumers—not only Tesla or Elio, but for any company that decides to use that business model to distribute its products,” the blog post reads. “Blanket prohibitions on direct manufacturer sales to consumers are an anomaly within the larger economy.”

In fact, the FTC was moved to make this statement in response to a recently introduced Michigan bill that would provide a franchise law exemption for another American automotive upstart: Elio Motors, whose stumpy little three-wheeler promises 84 mpg and a price under $7000. The Michigan state legislature is considering an exemption to allow makers of “autocycles” (three-wheeled vehicles that aren’t quite automobiles in the eyes of the law) to sell direct to consumers.
Here, the FTC is referring to the many state laws that prohibit carmakers from selling directly to consumers through brand-owned showrooms. Almost universally, those state laws were put into place through the political clout and largesse of state dealership associations. It’s a classic case of protectionism, and a pretty blatant one at that.

While the conversation around state car sales laws has been largely driven by Tesla Motors’ many fights to overturn these laws, the FTC is careful to point out that it’s not just coming to bat for Elon Musk’s electric carmaker. “FTC staff supports the movement to allow for direct sales to consumers—not only Tesla or Elio, but for any company that decides to use that business model to distribute its products,” the blog post reads. “Blanket prohibitions on direct manufacturer sales to consumers are an anomaly within the larger economy.”

In fact, the FTC was moved to make this statement in response to a recently introduced Michigan bill that would provide a franchise law exemption for another American automotive upstart: Elio Motors, whose stumpy little three-wheeler promises 84 mpg and a price under $7000. The Michigan state legislature is considering an exemption to allow makers of “autocycles” (three-wheeled vehicles that aren’t quite automobiles in the eyes of the law) to sell direct to consumers.
The FTC says, in essence, why stop there? “Most manufacturers and suppliers in other industries make decisions about how to design their distribution systems based on their own business considerations, responding to consumer demand [. . . ] Typically, no government intervention is needed to augment or alter these competitive dynamics—the market polices inefficient, unresponsive, or otherwise inadequate distribution practices on its own.” If the government does intervene, the FTC says, it should be “no broader than necessary,” and clearly linked to specific policy objectives. In other words, it should be for a better reason than bald-faced protectionism.

“Protecting dealers from abuses by manufacturers does not justify a blanket prohibition like that in the current Michigan law,” the FTC says. “Absent some legitimate public purpose, consumers would be better served if the choice of distribution method were left to motor vehicle manufacturers and the consumers to whom they sell their products.”

We could’t have said it better ourselves.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/ftc-sides- ... uto-sales/

if you can afford a car that's product . you should be allowed to buy it if its American car . made to American safety standards for sale in the state you live in. why should you have to buy a used one if you can afford and want a brand new one . if they meet the standards for your state. it to me was a bullsh1t law some states had to keep some car sales out to protect a chosen group of auto manufactures. who payed off politicians

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:16 pm
by FlyingPenguin
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:11 pm
by Err
All car companies need to update their business model. I should be able to get the exact options I want on a new car without having to settle for what is on the lot. It's not like these things are cheap. We'll still need service centers so most dealerships will be safe. I won't be sorry to see some go. When I was looking for my Charger, I originally wanted AWD. The dealer I was working with said he could get one from another dealer. After finding one, he said it was the newest model year but had been driven as a demo and had 10K miles on it. I was still interested as I thought I'd found a deal. Nope, the dealership that had the car wouldn't let it go unless I gave full price. Tell me, if I buy a car, drive it 10K miles, how much does it depreciate? The answer is quite a bit. I ended up with another Charger that I'm still driving today.

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 11:14 pm
by normalicy
Should have been obvious.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:55 am
by Pugsley
I slapped the sales guy in the face with 30K cash at the VW dealer near me saying I wanted a new Beetle TDI with X options and they were like we will have to find one... that was 2 years ago. Some people just wont take my money. So instead I spent 4k on my current beetle and made some upgrades to it as well. Should be good for another 200k miles now.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 6:03 pm
by renovation
Err - I have a friend who bought his wife a 2015 mustang 50th anniversary model . he got it for sticker less his Ford Employee discount. he went to 3 dealers to find one . one of the dealerships wanted list plus $10,000 ,another wouldn't sell it to him unless he payed a surcharge . now they only made 1965 of they and only 50 were in blue .the rest were in white he did buy a white one for his wife . the 3 cars he looked at were white and all with the same package. so its how gready a dealer is. the car will be towed to florida and parked in a garage maybe driven once a year.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 9:01 pm
by Err
renovation wrote:Err - I have a friend who bought his wife a 2015 mustang 50th anniversary model . he got it for sticker less his Ford Employee discount. he went to 3 dealers to find one . one of the dealerships wanted list plus $10,000 ,another wouldn't sell it to him unless he payed a surcharge . now they only made 1965 of they and only 50 were in blue .the rest were in white he did buy a white one for his wife . the 3 cars he looked at were white and all with the same package. so its how gready a dealer is. the car will be towed to florida and parked in a garage maybe driven once a year.
I'm a member on the LXforums and I've seen stories with dealers overcharging for the Hellcat and other SRTs. Dealers need to go or the manufacturer needs to be able to regulate them. I'd gladly pay the delivery fee to have a new car delivered to my door from the factory rather than mess with dealers. That would be pretty awesome actually.

I just looked up the 2015 50th Anniversary Mustang. It's nice but I like to be able to drive my cars. I'm sure it will hold its value and turn head a cruse-ins though.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 10:16 pm
by Pugsley
I even told the dealer I would be willing to wait a few months for the car to be built after they ordered it... then they tell me they can't do that. WTH? Thats a car sale they will never get now.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 11:56 pm
by FlyingPenguin
Yeah. Tried the same thing when we bought my wife's Navigator. We're talking a high end luxury vehicle, and we couldn't order a custom one from the factory. When the hell did that happen?

I'm seriously considering a Tesla when I get a couple of more years on my aging Camry - maybe the 3rd gen Tesla will be out by then at a more reasonable price. One of the reasons I'm even considering a Tesla is because I can custom order it. You can configure it on their website any way you like.

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:09 am
by Pugsley
I would love a EV but with the random amounts I drive for work range would be a huge issue with me. I do enjoy the 750-800 mile range my beetle gets and I get annoyed with rentals that barely do 400.

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:37 am
by FlyingPenguin
Around here it would be great. I never drive my Camry over 90 miles a day, and for long trips we use the Navigator. We have a Tesla dealer in Orlando, 40 miles away, and most of the town squares and large shopping centers around here have charging stations.

I could (although I wouldn't want to) drive to Miami (260 miles) barely without a charge, and there's several charging stations along the way, and a dealer in Miami.

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 11:07 am
by Losbot
I like the new automated stations that are being built that do battery swaps if you're pressed for time. Very cool shit.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/6_XEv2f_Uhw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Here's a close-up of the cars, having their batteries swapped out.

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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 7:31 pm
by Pugsley
I wonder how well that system will cope with road dust.