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Eat some beans, stick a hose up your a** and turn your car into a methane hybrid. It might be uncomfortable, but you will get a lot more combustible gas. This thing is complete snake oil. You wont get enough hydrogen out of this rig to power your cigarette lighter.

It's a scam. I've had this discussion before. There's even a patent on this. If you look it up, you'll see that this amounts to nothing more than Brown's gas. Now Brown's gas does exist. It's produced via electrolysis and then compressed. I think it use to be used in welding applications. So you can produce fuel from water, right? Yes. Can you run a car on it? Possibly. So why am I calling it a scam?

• Electrolysis is about 40% efficient in an industrial setting. It takes a lot of energy to break apart water.
• Cars are not set up to run on it. The long term effects of this would probably screw up your car and it WILL void any warranty you have.
• No car company has picked up on this. With the demand for more efficient cars, you'd think that some car manufacturer would've licenced this technology by now.

I wish I still had the patent bookmarked on this. The claims are actually funny to read.

We looked up a similar page at work a couple weeks ago after a guy told someone that he had such a kit installed by someone. The page we saw mentioned installing an adapter plate under the carburetor which is humorous being that no cars in the US have used carbs in decades now. Then, to quote Jimmy Carter......WTF? As if everyone thinks he's some sort of expert on a topic like that? LOL

They had this on myth busters. The car ran for a few seconds & died due to fuel starvation. The only method they found to be usable was burning frying oil.

What do you guys think of this:
http://www.pcabusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46154

Scam. People think you can turn a gasoline engine into a water engine? Never.

Executioner wrote:What do you guys think of this:
http://www.pcabusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46154

I don't believe this guy's claims. You need to compress the hydrogen in order to inject it. Electrolysis is too slow to produce enough gas to power an engine. What I really hate about article like this is the last of follow-up and investigation. The reporter should have asked for a ride. I would have asked him to drive me to the nearest gas station, filled up his tank myself, and then have him drive me on a 100 mile round trip back to the same gas station where I would have filled up the tank again. This way the reporter could see for his/herself that the system is doing something.

You can run a vehicle on Hydrogen. I believe BMW has one. However, theirs was designed for it. Lubrication is is problem when converting a car made to run gas over to hydrogen. Gasoline lubricates the upper cylinder and is why we're not running pure ETOH. the 15% gasoline in the E85 is needed for lubrication.

I just don't think Hydrogen will be the fuel of the future. It takes too much energy to make enough of it. I think the only manufacturer on the right track is GM and their Volt. It plugs in and also has a generator that charges the batteries when they get low. That generator could be powered by cellulose derived ETOH or bio-diesel.

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I think the only manufacturer on the right track is GM and their Volt. It plugs in and also has a generator that charges the batteries when they get low. That generator could be powered by cellulose derived ETOH or bio-diesel.

I have been wanting to make a car that runs like that. small diesel engine and some batteries that power a motor to move the car. run it on electric and when that gets low the diesel can generate power to keep it running. when you get home plug it in.

Pugsley wrote:I have been wanting to make a car that runs like that. small diesel engine and some batteries that power a motor to move the car. run it on electric and when that gets low the diesel can generate power to keep it running. when you get home plug it in.

I hope GM gets this car out. The only downfall for the car will be the price. I've heard 40K for the first generation Volt. There's no doubt in my mind they will get it too. I think the batteries are the problem, as they've always been, with keeping the costs down. Lithium and/or Nickel is expensive.

$40K! As for battery costs, I know that it cost's $5K to replace the battery packs on a Lexus 400H (parts only, not including labor) and it's probably about that for the other Toyota Hybrids too. Once out of warranty, that's a huge "ouch!!!"
It's one thing if you're the type of person who buys newer cars anyway and don't mind making payments, always having that debt BUT if you're like me and have older cars that are already paid for and weren't all that costly in the first place, the notion of spending alot of money on a vehicle just to get better mileage or use an alternate fuel is ridiculous.

another issue with electric hybrids is that if you're in a bad accident you've got a hazmat site....also, the first responders have to ground out the frame before they can cut you out

Found this, but I'm still calling BS.. Dunno..

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A guy at work has a bunch of mason jars in a box under his hood hooked up to a vacume line off his manifold. He says his gas milage went from around 28 to around 50.

I think the whole point is not necessarily RUNNING the vehicle off the gas produced, but to use the gas added to the air portion of the fuel/air mix to help speed the combustion and make the fuel burn more completely.

Not entirely convinced, but the basic idea seems sound, as long as you gain more energy from the added fuel and more efficient combustion than the extra load on the engine from your alternator producing more electricity.

Yeah, this is a different take on the run your car off of water thing. This one is a mix of water & gas while using the engine to make the energy instead. I believe that this is somewhat reasonable to do. Unfortunately, it's still not a huge savings compared to just driving more reasonable & using a light car.