Walmart target practice

renovation · Post by **renovation** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:47 pm

A Texas man injured two people and himself after he accidentally fired his handgun Monday night while standing on line at a Walmart store, police said.

MyFoxDFW.com reported that the suspect, who was not identified, accidentally fired his gun while he reached into his wallet at the Dallas-area store. The bullet hit the man in the buttock and shattered on the ground. Fragments hit a child in the leg and a woman in the foot, the report said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/24/te ... z21YzLqjiX

normalicy · Post by **normalicy** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:11 pm

Someone needs to learn what a safety is.

Err · Post by **Err** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:48 pm

I think that when a person does this they should no longer be allowed to carry a gun. When this happens, it makes responsible owners look stupid. Honestly, I wish people like this couldn't own guns period.

I can't figure out how he did this unless he was carrying gun with an extremely light pull or had a pistol already cocked.

CaterpillarAssassin · Post by **CaterpillarAssassin** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:14 am

Err wrote:I think that when a person does this they should no longer be allowed to carry a gun. When this happens, it makes responsible owners look stupid. Honestly, I wish people like this couldn't own guns period.

I can't figure out how he did this unless he was carrying gun with an extremely light pull or had a pistol already cocked.

Depends on the pistol. I always carry cocked and locked. That's what a safety is for. He definately dd not have a pocket holster. I can bet the safety dislodged (some are very light to disengage) and then te trigger pull is quite light. Still not very smart as if you are going to pocket carry you need to have a proper pocket holster. This would protect the trigger from other items in your pocket. That being said if you are going to pocket carry than the pocket needs to be dedicated to the pistol.

I am sure his license will be revoked and there will be legal consequences for his negligence.

vwkess · Post by **vwkess** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:56 am

I have a problem with these cases being called "accidental". To me that implies that what happened could not be avoided, that the person is not responsible for that action. "Hey, it was an accident, sorry!"

To me this is negligence, pure and simple. Negligent discharge of a firearm and there should be consequences for it. THIS CAN BE EASILY AVOIDED! If you are going to carry concealed, you MUST have a holster. And that holster MUST hard molded for the model gun you have. These floppy universal holsters (if he even had one) are unsafe and a bad idea.

You cannot rely on a safety, you can not rely on a heavy trigger pull. Protect that trigger! It cannot differentiate between your finger and another object!

Pugsley · Post by **Pugsley** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:26 pm

What I don't get is why he had one in the chamber to begin with. I don't own a gun or know much but isn't it impossible to fire when a round is not chambered? Isn't the only reason to keep one in the chamber so that that is one more round you have total? mag holds 5+1 in the chamber = 6 total right?

vwkess · Post by **vwkess** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:57 pm

In the amount of time it takes to chamber a round you could be dead. Seriously. An attacker 21ft away with a knife can be on you in the amount of time it takes just to draw. Add the time to rack (assuming semi auto here, not revolver) and you might as well not even bother. You will be doing hand to hand at that point.

TheManiacal1 · Post by **TheManiacal1** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:58 pm

Pugsley wrote:What I don't get is why he had one in the chamber to begin with. I don't own a gun or know much but isn't it impossible to fire when a round is not chambered? Isn't the only reason to keep one in the chamber so that that is one more round you have total? mag holds 5+1 in the chamber = 6 total right?

IRL, taking the time to rack the slide and chamber a round could mean life or death. my carry is always chambered but wouldn't carry something like a 1911 that requires it to be cocked as well. the wrong bump could mean an unintended discharge.

Pugsley · Post by **Pugsley** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:27 pm

So you can have a chambered round and the spring on the hammer does not have to be wound (pulled back) and can rest on the round? Would the firing pin wear a hole in the round?

RubberDuckie · Post by **RubberDuckie** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:46 pm

I am sure his license will be revoked and there will be legal consequences for his negligence.

I guarantee this will happen

BTW: from the video it looks like a Springfield XD. Very safe gun. Man should be charged for 1. the discharge and 2. leaving the scene.

vwkess · Post by **vwkess** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:42 am

Pugsley wrote:So you can have a chambered round and the spring on the hammer does not have to be wound (pulled back) and can rest on the round? Would the firing pin wear a hole in the round?

Short answer, no it would not wear a hole. I don't have time right now to post a detailed explanation, but it is due to internal safeties.

CaterpillarAssassin · Post by **CaterpillarAssassin** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:44 am

TheManiacal1 wrote:IRL, taking the time to rack the slide and chamber a round could mean life or death. my carry is always chambered but wouldn't carry something like a 1911 that requires it to be cocked as well. the wrong bump could mean an unintended discharge.

This is exactly why I carry a double action semi auto. New smith and Wesson body guard ftw. I do carry a 1911 occasionally cocked and ready. The new ones have the standard safety and a secondary that won't allow the trigger to pull unless you hand is on the grip.

vwkess · Post by **vwkess** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:01 am

RubberDuckie wrote:I guarantee this will happen

BTW: from the video it looks like a Springfield XD. Very safe gun. Man should be charged for 1. the discharge and 2. leaving the scene.

Yep, according to this quote: "Canady, who Dallas police said has a Concealed Handgun License, accidentally pulled the trigger of his Springfield .40-caliber semi-automatic pistol. It was holstered inside his pants, a sergeant told News 8"

Doesn't make sense to me... smells fishy and doesn't add up.

Unfortunately the statement "holstered inside his pants" is ambiguous. Could mean inside the waistband, could mean in his pocket, could mean in a holster inside the waistband or pocket. So the question is, was it actually in his pocket? If so, how do you mistake that for your wallet? With that XD, you have to have you hand wrapped on that grip for it to fire. Was he attempting to pull out the gun instead? Why did he run when the off duty cop approached him?

Maybe improperly holstered IWB? Somehow the waistband compressing the grip safety and somehow he pulls the trigger when withdrawing his wallet through the pocket? Quite a stretch there but that is the only other way I can see it. The cops did seem to be inspecting the grip safety quite a bit in the video, maybe he modified the gun to defeat that safety for some reason?

Some sites say he was shot in the butt, leading me to think IWB. Others say grazed on the leg, makes you think it was in his pocket. Too much conflicting and ambiguous info out there to really know what happened.

Err · Post by **Err** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:04 pm

vwkess wrote:Yep, according to this quote: "Canady, who Dallas police said has a Concealed Handgun License, accidentally pulled the trigger of his Springfield .40-caliber semi-automatic pistol. It was holstered inside his pants, a sergeant told News 8"

Doesn't make sense to me... smells fishy and doesn't add up.

Unfortunately the statement "holstered inside his pants" is ambiguous. Could mean inside the waistband, could mean in his pocket, could mean in a holster inside the waistband or pocket. So the question is, was it actually in his pocket? If so, how do you mistake that for your wallet? With that XD, you have to have you hand wrapped on that grip for it to fire. Was he attempting to pull out the gun instead? Why did he run when the off duty cop approached him?

Maybe improperly holstered IWB? Somehow the waistband compressing the grip safety and somehow he pulls the trigger when withdrawing his wallet through the pocket? Quite a stretch there but that is the only other way I can see it. The cops did seem to be inspecting the grip safety quite a bit in the video, maybe he modified the gun to defeat that safety for some reason?

Some sites say he was shot in the butt, leading me to think IWB. Others say grazed on the leg, makes you think it was in his pocket. Too much conflicting and ambiguous info out there to really know what happened.

I agree. Something else was going on. These weapons are almost impossible to accidentally fire.

TheManiacal1 · Post by **TheManiacal1** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:47 am

Err wrote:I agree. Something else was going on. These weapons are almost impossible to accidentally fire.

i have a Springfield XD as well and i can't imagine how i could "accidentally" discharge it; the grip safety pretty much mitigates the likelihood of it. then again, i also wouldn't keep it in my pants pocket.

accidental discharge + holstered in an IWB doesn't add up either. accidents happen but this just sounds like he's covering up for something...