not to be a war monger when do you think rockets will glare in Iraq

renovation · Post by **renovation** » Tue Jan 07, 2003 5:15 pm

in general when do beleave the order will be give if it is !
to fire the first shoots in a new war with Iraq !
im sure as most its not if. but when now !!!!!

nexus_7 · Post by **nexus_7** » Tue Jan 07, 2003 6:09 pm

I have said by the end of the month, but im not sure now.

Greg

Lady In Red · Post by **Lady In Red** » Tue Jan 07, 2003 11:10 pm

I'll say between mid-February to the first week in March.

Tomuchtime · Post by **Tomuchtime** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 12:00 am

Tough one to call.I think if the current administration can sell a "Liberation"
of the Iraqi people story, then march at the latest.The problem is the backpeddeling involved and N.Korea tossing egg into G.W.'s face. Don't count
central america out either;the CIA got caught trying to stage a coupe' in venezuela and are still trying to overthrough Chevez- so the whole war dynamic may shift .It depends on where we can make oil an export instead of an import to save our dying economy.

PreDatoR · Post by **PreDatoR** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 1:05 am

U know the economy was worse than this before Clinton went into office... Its not good but its a hell of a lot better than a year ago.. At least for agriculture it is.. I'm not workin 60 hrs a week cause the apple farmers had a bad year.

Tomuchtime · Post by **Tomuchtime** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 1:54 am

I'm not sure I agree Pred. I think the economy has been doing a backslide for years.The only diffrence between now and yesterday is how the numbers are juggeled around. We can print all kinds of money and inflate agianst current trends, however when countries make a 'call' for the gold that is backed by paper- things get hairy.Clinton rode a wave that had nothing to do with his administration.
It was a freebee.Sooner or later we'll have to pay the band.Gold shot up when Greenspan made a remark about printing more money to offset the current slide.
The reason is this;If I had 2million dollars
in paper (representing gold) and the Federal reserve decides to print more paper notes on that same gold the value drops.It isnt worth what I paid to begin with.So countries are cashing the paper in on bullion while they can thus dropping the physical reserve and pushing prices higher.The real problem is with intrest rates and how we pay on principal for a loan (say Chase Morgan)for the usury of gold to back the dollar plus intrest(usuary).It's a game and if we don't play for keeps we loose.So the next best thing is a commody like oil,we import oil and pay for it;the game plan is to make oil an export and sell it thus keeping a stronghold on the market of the industrial world.Here is a delemma;
Oil is a one-shot deal ,you use it and it's gone.Gold on the other hand is and has been around forever- we dont burn it.Sound like a headache? It is.
Your farmers had a bad year huh?
Too bad.Our government seems to think that global hemongeny is more importiant than you not having enough money to live on.That goes for dems and the republicans.War is importiant for the sake of dominatition period.By the few,for the few.Screw us pal.
There will be a "conflict"- weather it's Iraq,Saudi,Quatar,Venezuela,Chile,Korea(if they have a resourse we might exploit) or whomever it's just a matter of time and the best excuse.

BillyGoat · Post by **BillyGoat** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:05 am

Its silly and stupid to beleive its just the us doing the exploiting, everyone does it, most conquests have been over wanting someone elses resources or land.. but i personally fought in bosnia and the gulf, and can tell you life isnt a cup o tea over there... Genocide isnt a pretty thing, Ive seen horrible things and was proud to be a so called "libererator"
Tell me TooMUCHTime , have you ever seen a 11 year boy toteing a assault riffle?

Bill

PreDatoR · Post by **PreDatoR** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:10 am

No the farmers around here had an excellent year so its got my ass working 60 hrs a week now... I like my job dead in the summer and busy in the winter...

Machinist/Box Builder for a company that builds wind machines used for heating during frost season. Last year we only built about 400... and our fiscal year ends the last day of April. We're past that already this year and its looking like about 750. year before last the farmers had a terrible year so they didn't buy to much. Basic machine runs 17k the big bad boy runs around 25k. We actually just sold 3 to Saudi Arabia with the agri cool setup for cooling. Why they want them i'm not sure only thing i can think of is to cool their camels

Whatever their reason is they want them air freighted over there instead of shipped. Cost of shipping is probably gonna be just as much as the cost of the actual machine... We don't mind though

we've actually got a web page here which will give ya a better idea of what these things do...

Post by **sbp** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 8:48 am

I concur with Lady In Red on the timetable.

Originally posted by Tomuchtime
Tough one to call.I think if the current administration can sell a "Liberation"
of the Iraqi people story, then march at the latest.The problem is the backpeddeling involved and N.Korea tossing egg into G.W.'s face. Don't count
central america out either;the CIA got caught trying to stage a coupe' in venezuela and are still trying to overthrough Chevez- so the whole war dynamic may shift .It depends on where we can make oil an export instead of an import to save our dying economy.

Don't even get me started on North Korea.

Contrary to what some believe, not everything is a CIA coup or global hemongeny.

That socialist dip Chavez made the mess himself. :foo

Post by **sbp** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 9:06 am

Chavez duped

"Errr ummm uhhhduhhh."

Usually loquacious Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, an ally and admirer of Fidel Castro, was at a loss for words when the Cuban president came on the phone, able only to mutter bizarre nonsense.
Castro's voice was real enough, but it was a digital mishmash of past recordings played as a prank on Monday to Chavez and broadcast to an audience of thousands by a Miami radio station.

"We still can't believe it," Enrique Santos, co-host of El Zol's Vacilon de la Manana (Morning Joker) told the Miami Herald newspaper on Tuesday. He and Joe Ferrero specialize in "Castro's calling you" moments in which they call people up and try to fool them into thinking they are talking to the veteran communist leader.

They make it sound real by using extracts from a phone conversation that Castro had with Mexican President Vicente Fox in 2001 and then released to the public in a diplomatic spat with Mexico.

Chavez, a firm friend of Castro's since he took office in 1998 and began to swing Venezuela leftward, came to the phone on Monday's program and talked for several minutes thinking he was chatting to the Cuban leader, whose voice is instantly recognizable around the Spanish-speaking world.

In the "conversation" -- extracts of which were printed by El Nuevo Herald newspaper -- the Castro voice asks if Chavez received a letter he sent and the Venezuelan says he did. The two engaged in nonsensical repartee for several minutes, then Castro asks what day it is.

"It's all ..." says Chavez

"What day is it today? Tuesday. Wednesday. Tell me," demands Castro.

"Yes," says Chavez.

"What day is it today?" repeats Castro.

"Everything is on Tuesday," Chavez replies.

Chavez hangs out his butt buddy Castro

Tomuchtime · Post by **Tomuchtime** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:23 am

Originally posted by BillyGoat
Its silly and stupid to beleive its just the us doing the exploiting, everyone does it, most conquests have been over wanting someone elses resources or land.. but i personally fought in bosnia and the gulf, and can tell you life isnt a cup o tea over there... Genocide isnt a pretty thing, Ive seen horrible things and was proud to be a so called "libererator"
Tell me TooMUCHTime , have you ever seen a 11 year boy toteing a assault riffle?

Bill

Exploting, Yes that's the word.Not disarming WMD .This is the exact point I've been trying to make.The whole deal is about Exploting resources.Now why can't that be said right up front?
I'll tell you why, because the American people will foot the bill and reap nothing but hatred form other countries (terrorisom sucks don't it?).
The oil companys will make the money from deals with the war booty - not us.
Of course it's about taking. Taking and screwing everyone else, then when they resort to terrorisom as a last ditch effort to save them self's from Genocide the media will ask us all 'Why
do these people hate us?" of course the good 'ol answer will be something like "Because they are jelous of our freedom". Bullshit. As long as you don't pay too much for gas you really don't give a crap how it got there. The people who just had the better part of thier country blown apart have a diffrent opinion and when they react
everyone runs pissing and moaning.
Then, when the americans question this so-called policy, things like the "Patriot Act" or the "Homeland Security
Act" come to play.Addios Freedom.
I'm just trying to keep in mind that there are two sides here. I still think shit's gonna hit the fan around march
unless Saddam can be exiled or dissapear and a puppet put in his place.We are a great country but I think somewhere along the line the very principals which we have been founded upon have been comprimised.
Iraq is a diffrent story.The people are not bound to the constitution we have
(or what's left of it) neither is the Iraqi government. When we force our principals and ideals on a sovergen country as if it's the only way to live we should expect the backlash.
I'm not thrilled about some of these threads turning into a pissing match and I do apoligize for getting a little off track but I make no apoligy for at least looking for the truth.
Bill

PreDatoR · Post by **PreDatoR** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:01 am

you have about as much clue to the truth as we do... your so called facts are as distorted as any other of the 1000 reasons why everyone "thinks" we are going to war with Iraq... where's the lone gunmen when you need them lol

Tomuchtime · Post by **Tomuchtime** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 4:08 am

Originally posted by PreDatoR
you have about as much clue to the truth as we do... your so called facts are as distorted as any other of the 1000 reasons why everyone "thinks" we are going to war with Iraq... where's the lone gunmen when you need them lol

Hummm.....so what your saying is you have no idea as to what is really going on in this world but I must accept your view or else...what? I'm a kook? I gave you some insight as to why I disagree on certian issues and this is all you can jawjack? Common Pred, I expect a little more than that.This is a forum (that's where people exchange ideas and thoughts) you and some of the other's shurely can at least do better than 'lone gunman' 'liberal' ect...replies.At least I can refrence through public records my stance on some issues. I want you to prove me wrong.I want you to awnser
the questions I have asked a long time ago without the lame easy-out response generally used by you 'In the know' types. And stop getting your undies in a bunch....this is only a forum.Nobody has to win. It's just a conversatition.

Post by **sbp** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 12:39 pm

Originally posted by Tomuchtime
everything said

Speaking of resources, perfectly good corn is being allowed to rot in storehouses in Zambia! What say you about that?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20 ... 408318.htm
And the US is so mean it gave away free corn.

Tomuchtime: This tired exploit resources argument can be made for almost any country in the world.

There are better places to get resources than some third world dumps that need massive amounts of moola to be rebuilt.

If it was about exploiting resources than Hussein would have been allowed to do whatever he wants while selling as much oil as he wants for over a decade.
As for the present: not going into Iraq, not rocking the boat and just allowing the oil to flow would be better for the oil companies.
Finally, weakening & lifting the sanctions were what the Europeans {except Britain} wanted to do. Why? So they could continue to snuggle up with a tyrant like Hussein and get pieces of his nasty pie.

Does anyone here really want to see Hussein with a nuke? Would it be better to deal with the dictator after he has a nuke ala North Korea? :;

Fact is Hussein has been messed around with for years. Time to take care of business and the world finally has gotten some real leadership.

Now if anyone here has a better idea on how to deal with Hussein speak up. Don't bother saying sanctions cause they haven't worked.

The root causes of the violence is that Islamofascists wish to dominate the world and kill infidels. Now why can't that be said right up front?

Just being powerful and successful brings envy. Its easier to blame and hate another country like the US than examine and deal with ones own countrys problems.

There will always be another excuse to hate and kill. Just like what happened to Australia with the horrific bombing in Bali.

Not doing anything led to 9/11.

For evil to triumph good people must do nothing.

Pikachu · Post by **Pikachu** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 6:19 pm

You can bet on this....

I'll be drafted if this iraq war goes (oh and yes it's a green light to turn bagdad into glass if hussein has a nuke). I'll end up fighiting in Iran as well, since that's where Osama bin LOZAR left Afganistan, or went to.... (reports are still sketchy).

My prediction... We go to war after my 21st b-day... If not, then i'll be trying to find a brew in a desert while avoiding bullets hitting me... oh well!