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Intel, PC Makers Sued Over P4 Performance

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:34 pm
by sbp
Customers seek class action status in charge that vendors misrepresented the power of Intel's top chip.

A small group of PC owners has quietly filed a class action lawsuit against Intel, Gateway, and Hewlett-Packard alleging the companies misled them into believing the Pentium 4 was a superior processor to Intel's own Pentium III and AMD's Athlon.

The complaint--Neubauer et al v. Intel et al--was filed June 3 in the Third Judicial Circuit in Madison County, Illinois. The case is in limbo awaiting a ruling on whether it belongs in a state or federal jurisdiction, and has not yet achieved class action status. It came to light this week after a copy of the complaint was sent to PCWorld.com anonymously.

The plaintiffs claim the companies deceived the public when marketing Intel's flagship processor and allege that it is "the material fact that there is no benefit to consumers in choosing the Pentium 4 over the Pentium III." The complaint alleges that "the Pentium 4 is less powerful and slower than the Pentium III and/or the AMD Athlon."

Thousands of Plaintiffs?

Noting the sheer number of P4s Intel has sold, the complaint goes on to say the "Class is so numerous that the individual joinder of all members is impracticable" and that the Class could include "hundreds of thousands of members." According to MicroDesign Resources, Intel has shipped upward of 50 million P4s since its launch in November 2000.

The complaint does not name the monetary amount sought by the plaintiffs. It does, however, cite what it says is law in California--where the companies are headquartered--that each plaintiff is entitled to actual damages, restitution of property, and punitive damages. The complaint notes that the cumulative total would be less than $75,000 each.

Attorneys Stephen M. Tillery and Aaron M. Zigler of the law firm Carr Korein Tillery in St. Louis, Missouri, filed the complaint on behalf of five plaintiffs. The firm declines to comment about the case, but Zigler confirms the June 3 filing.

Intel and Gateway executives also decline to comment on the complaint, citing company policies regarding ongoing litigation. HP did not return calls seeking comment.

The plaintiffs do not appear to be accusing Intel of lying about the P4's clock speed, says Rob Enderle, a research fellow with Giga Information Group. They're complaining about the P4's performance, and that's a crucial element to the case's viability, he says. "As long as the market is going after megahertz, and Intel is reporting the correct megahertz, then I do not think this is actionable," he says. "Megahertz is misleading, but that has to do with the fact that the industry doesn't use benchmarks."

MHz Myth?

PCWorld.com's own reviews have shown AMD Athlon-based PCs often keep pace with or beat P4-based systems that have faster clock speeds, as measured by the PC WorldBench benchmark (which focuses mainly on standard office applications). However, the P4 has tended to perform better on certain computationally intensive tasks, such as video processing, in those same PC WorldBench tests.

In recent months, thanks to ever-increasing clock speeds and improvements to supporting technologies, P4-based PCs have started to outrun Athlon XP-based systems under PC WorldBench. For example, in a recent test of each company's top CPUs, a system with Intel's 2.53-GHz P4 edged past a PC with an Athlon XP 2100+ chip (running at 1.73 GHz) in PC WorldBench 4.

Analyst Enderle thinks the PC industry should throw out megahertz altogether as a system of measuring performance. The actual clock speed matters less than the overall system performance, he says.

"The right answer really is benchmarks," he says. "We need to have a way that people can really see the difference between PCs."

In fact, in the tech industry several benchmarks have achieved enough coverage to qualify as industry standards. However, it's unlikely any one benchmark would satisfy the legion of vendors that build the components of any one PC.

AMD took matters into its own hands with its launch of the Athlon XP processor last October, when it also introduced a new naming convention that attaches faster-sounding names to AMD's slower-running chips. Results have been mixed.

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:46 pm
by blade
:jester Gawd this is sooooo funny! :D
companies misled them into believing the Pentium 4 was a superior processor to Intel's own Pentium III and AMD's Athlon.

The complaint alleges that "the Pentium 4 is less powerful and slower than the Pentium III and/or the AMD Athlon."


That sure is a kicker isn't it. You know intel is not only livid over this but highly embarrassed. And mikey likes it. :)


That's good, maybe they'll try harder which in turns keeps making AMD try harder and we all win thanks to good competition.



That said, I sure wish they would name the cpu with the ACTUAL clock speed.

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:10 pm
by Schwartz
All those fucktards should have read reviews and comparisons to what was on the market at the time and made an educated decision before they purchased the product. Now because they were too stupid to do some research on their own and followed the marketing hype that was put out they are suing. Sounds pretty retarded to me.

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:29 pm
by TheSovereign
people are sueing for everything these days
when will the legal just say
STFU AND GET OUT!

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:51 pm
by PreDatoR
ROFL Fucktards i like that one... :D Sounds like someones just pissed they didn't read a little on both chips. Mhz ain't jack no more and he now just figured it out! what an idiot!

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:44 pm
by Fu Manchu
Originally posted by PreDatoR
. Mhz ain't jack no more and he now just figured it out!
does that mean my P200 is beast once again ? :D

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:58 pm
by Hipnotic_Tranz
I believe that once the typical home user gets past 1GHz, he won't noticed much (if any) difference to, say a 1.4GHz. Now, the power user that does a lot of dvd ripping or converting most likely will. And when it comes to games, its more like "what kinda video card do you have?" now, rather than "how fast is your CPU?"

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:56 pm
by SC60
Joe: The P200 will always be "Beast"

Not fast, but at least Beast :) ;)

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 9:58 am
by UberNeuman
I've got a P4 and it this gets me some free stuff, I'm down with it... I'm hip...