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Oh where to begin....
Originally posted by VidmanII
I'm not the only one who doesn't think Bush is the answer. His job approval rating is @ 47% currently, which happens to be exactly the same as his old man's was at this point in his Presidency, the year he got booted.
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

53%, not 47%. And as SBP pointed out, that's to be expected in the middle of the Democratic primary season.
Manufacturing sector jobs have declined for 42 months in row !!! The longest stretch in USA history. You gonna blame that on Clinton too?
I won't point out that Clinton was in charge during the first 12 of those months. But I will point out that these jobs are a result of increased productivity, not the economy. Increased productivity is a sign of an IMPROVING economy.
All this yapping in here from either side doesnt' mean shit anyway as some, or most of you, fit into the demographic ( 18-25 yr olds ) that's been shown as least likely to vote in elections on the national level.
Not in recent years. Unfortunately for Democrats, Generation Y is beoming more conservative and more politically active. And that is only incrasing over time. Gen Y has realized the follies of their parents generation and realized, "Hey, maybe its not a bad thing to have rules or be told 'no' once in a while." Only time will tell since I'm sure you won't believe me.
definition of a liberal: A conservative who's been arrested. :cool :
Well I will rest comfortably in the fact that I have never been arrested.

Definition of a conservative: a liberal who has grown up.
Unfortunately for the Dub he has a big monkey on his back called Iraq. His misleading of the American public to rush into war there based on dodgy intel will definately bite him in the ass.
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. First, all of the eveidence points to WMD not being there NOW. That doesn't mean that Saddam never had them (in fact, we know he did), nor does that mean that he didn't expect them to a freindly neighbor for safe keeping (a.k.a. Syria). You can't deny that Saddam was a evil man guilty of crimes against humanity. Ultimately the American public at large (read: those outside the liberal media and the DNC) is going to realize that the ends justify the means.
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Originally posted by TruckStuff
Oh where to begin....

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

53%, not 47%. And as SBP pointed out, that's to be expected in the middle of the Democratic primary season.
I won't point out that Clinton was in charge during the first 12 of those months. But I will point out that these jobs are a result of increased productivity, not the economy. Increased productivity is a sign of an IMPROVING economy.

Not in recent years. Unfortunately for Democrats, Generation Y is beoming more conservative and more politically active. And that is only incrasing over time. Gen Y has realized the follies of their parents generation and realized, "Hey, maybe its not a bad thing to have rules or be told 'no' once in a while." Only time will tell since I'm sure you won't believe me.

Well I will rest comfortably in the fact that I have never been arrested.

Definition of a conservative: a liberal who has grown up.
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. First, all of the eveidence points to WMD not being there NOW. That doesn't mean that Saddam never had them (in fact, we know he did), nor does that mean that he didn't expect them to a freindly neighbor for safe keeping (a.k.a. Syria). You can't deny that Saddam was a evil man guilty of crimes against humanity. Ultimately the American public at large (read: those outside the liberal media and the DNC) is going to realize that the ends justify the means.
So you are saying that misleading the American Public was justified?
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Clinton did it so it must be ok.

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Democrap or Repukelican... i don't give a shit... all of them are assholes who never do what they say and could give 2 shits less about the people of this country. Politics are nothing more than a pissing match of who has more money and who can sucker more people into giving the con men more money. Popularity contest is all it is anymore. I haven't seen a president since i was able to vote that was worthy of my vote so i never have bothered to vote for one in the last 2 elections. Most of them are lawyers and dirty business men and these are the people who we are voting to have as a president. This country is phucked.
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Originally posted by nexus_7
Clinton did it so it must be ok.

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So Bush is justified because that asshole Clinton did it?
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No, Im just saying you wernt here bitching about it when Clinton did it making it a double standuard.

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So you are saying that misleading the American Public was justified?
I'm saying that "misleading" is a tag applied to make things look worse than they are. Sure, its possible the intelligence was misinterpretted before the war, but intelligence is not an exact science. Bush put forward what he understood to be true in the eyes of the best our country has to offer. Even if it turns out that there were no WMDs (which again, we know he had and we just don't know where they are now), an evil dictator who slaughtered thousands of innocent women and children was removed from power. If you can just gloss over that fact as if its inconsequential, you've got some serious issues.
No, Im just saying you wernt here bitching about it when Clinton did it making it a double standuard.
Touche'. :) Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Originally posted by nexus_7
No, Im just saying you wernt here bitching about it when Clinton did it making it a double standuard.

Greg
Trust me, if Clinton had launched a war in Iraq based on dodgy intel at its best, I woud have complained, especially if he got in front of the nation and presented it as undisputable evidence like the Dub did!

If he is so certain that disposing Hussien by invading and occupying Iraq because Hussien was a despot, why didn't just present his argument that way instead of pulling the wool over the American Public eyes?Bush misleading the country!
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Originally posted by Red Dawn
Unfortunately for the Dub he has a big monkey on his back called Iraq. His misleading of the American public to rush into war there based on dodgy intel will definately bite him in the ass.
Iraq as an issue has faded. That's one reason Howard "gaffe proned" Deans campaign has gone down the tubes, along with him going bonkers after losing in Iowa.

Terrorism? What Terrorism?
Pollsters asked voters the following question: "Which ONE issue mattered most in deciding how you voted today?" Voters were given six choices: taxes, education, health care/Medicare, the war in Iraq, national security/terrorism, and the economy/jobs.

In four of the five states for which exit polls are available — Arizona, Missouri, Oklahoma, and South Carolina — Democratic voters placed national security/terrorism at the bottom of the list. Only in tiny Delaware, on the east coast and not far from Ground Zero, did Democrats place more emphasis on the issue — and even then, it was in next-to-last place.

Democrats in every state placed the economy/jobs issue in first place. In South Carolina, the state Edwards won with his "Two America" appeal, 47 percent of those polled said it was the most important issue. They chose health care/Medicare second, with 20 percent. The war in Iraq was third, with 10 percent, education with nine percent, and taxes with four percent. The issue of national security/terrorism was cited as most important by two percent of the voters.

The situation was roughly the same in veteran-heavy Oklahoma, which ended in a virtual tie between Edwards and retired Gen. Wesley Clark. Thirty-eight percent of Democrats named economy/jobs as the issue that mattered most in their voting decision. Nineteen percent chose health care/Medicare. Twelve percent said Iraq. Ten percent said education, seven percent said taxes, and six percent said national security/terrorism.
This also shows how unconcerned the Dems are about terrorism. Well they got their candidate in Kerry. Kerry during the 1/29 Democrat South Carolina debate, believed the threat of terrorism has been exaggerated. Try telling that to the thousands of people who lost their lives on September 11 and the continuing murderous attempts!

Now if you don't like National Review, you can read well known pollster Zogby take on The Top Issues For 2004
What issues matter most going into the new year? Polls suggest that even though the economy is bouncing back, it's still the issue voters cite most often as the most important issue facing the nation.
There are other polls out there that show that domestic issues including the economy will predominate.

Its no lie that a rotten dictator refused to verify what happened to the WMD he admitted Iraq had. In truth Hussein should have been dealt with years ago. But the weak kneers out there didn't want to act.

Now if you believed Bush misled, then so did the previous administration and Democrats who also believed Hussein had WMD. In addition to that, intelligence services all over the world also lied, including those oppose to dealing with Hussein.

Powell takes aim at Democrats criticism of Bush policy
US Secretary of State Colin Powell lashed out at Democratic criticism of President George W. Bush on Iraq and Afghanistan, using unusually blunt language for the nation's top diplomat.

In addition, he said Congressional Democrats who are now complaining the American people were misled about the reasons for going to war in Iraq were being "disingenous," because they had voted to approve the use of force based on the same intelligence information Bush had.

The comments were unusual as Powell, a social liberal considered the most moderate member of Bush's conservative Republican cabinet, has rarely, if ever, spoken out on partisan issues or been so harshly critical of the president's political foes.

"The Democrats had access to the same information that the president and I did," he said, referring to intelligence on former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program.

"They all stood up and voted for it in a resolution last fall. So it's a little disingenuous to suddenly start deciding that, well, we were misled," Powell said Wednesday in an interview with conservative radio talk show host Sean Hannity.
In other words the Democrats including their latest saviour Kerry are full of spit! Here are some Dem quotes, including Kerry's limousine buddy Ted Kennedy, that show this:
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has 10 times since 1983." -- Sandy Berger, national security adviser to President Clinton, Feb. 18, 1998.

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction program." -- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry and others, Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Dec. 16, 1998.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy, Sept. 27, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry, Oct. 9, 2002.
And there are more Democrat quotes regarding this issue.

Now if what David Kay said is to be believed, that our intelligence for some time hasn't been great and been consistently wrong, why are libs only blaming the current administration?

As another said: If faulty intelligence mattered to Democrats, why didn’t they attack Bill Clinton for using faulty intelligence to launch missile attacks on a Sudan aspirin factory and empty tents at an al-Qaeda terrorist camp in Afghanistan? All on the same day Monica Lewinsky testified to a grand jury. Likewise, why didn’t they question the claims of mass murder which prompted the U.S. air bombardment of Kosovo, even though the U.N. could not find any evidence?

We know why...its cause there is a Republican in the White House. In truth the Democrats were unable to put Florida election behind them to work with GWB. Being unable to accept electoral losts...a chronic trait of the Dems!
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you all have it all wrong... the enemy is the EPA.. because of them we are loosing our steel market... as well as having increasingly more inefficent cars.
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Frankly I don't think the Dems will win.
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We can only hope.

Please keep all Political stuff to the pollitical forum found at the TOP of Cheers.

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Originally posted by nexus_7
We can only hope.

Please keep all Political stuff to the pollitical forum found at the TOP of Cheers.

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Why is it that this place can't show a little life once in a while by addressing political issues? Seriously, the old cliche about not discussin politics and religion is such a crock... what else is there to talk about?? :rolleyes: Let's keep the pacifism to a minimum here. :D
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its so threds dont get hijacked.

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